[Advisors] A Christmas Wish to One and All: Towards the Internet as a Global Public Good
michael gurstein
gurstein at gmail.com
Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:59:43 -0800
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From: garykenward@eastlink.ca [mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca]=20
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:15 AM
To: michael gurstein
Cc: advisors@tc.ca; Evan Leibovitch
Subject: Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet =
Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
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So am I.
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I would also like to see a position from the Canadian Internet tech =
communities. Hopefully, a constructive, inclusive actionable position.
There is much work to be done.
On 2012-12-20, at 10:11, michael gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Gary,
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I guess what I'ld be interested in is their/ISOC's response to=E2=80=A6
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But now that the smoke is clearing and hopefully for some at least, the =
fog is lifting there is now a very significant role for the technical =
community and CS (in their respective roles and hopefully as a united =
coalition of coalitions) to articulate and lead the fight for a vision =
of how the Internet can function as a global public good (as opposed to =
a battlefield of multiple private interests) and what the governance =
structure (or process) for such a beast might look like.
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M
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From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of =
Gary W Kenward
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 12:33 AM
Cc: Advisors Advisors
Subject: Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet =
Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
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Michael:
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The ISOC Canada chapter is still in the process of formation. The =
charter is still being refined in response to discussions with ISOC. I =
will communicate, when I can, any significant and relevant progress in =
this regard. I am also willing to answer any questions related to the =
formation of the chapter, if I feel I can.
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Any and all statements regarding WCIT and Internet Governance would =
be my own opinion and nothing more. However, as the act of proffering =
them might lead some to mistakenly believe that my statements represent =
ISOC Canada positions, I must, for once, refrain from offering those =
opinions.
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I would recommend asking someone from ISOC to share their view on =
WCIT and Internet Governance. Sally Wentworth was in Dubai and did an =
excellent job of reporting on the conference - before, during and after =
- to the ISOC mailing list. There is also the ISOC statement concerning =
the outcome of WCIT available at =
http://www.internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-disappointed-over-fu=
ndamental-divides-world-conference-international.
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Regards,
Gary
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To introduce something altogether new would mean to begin all over, to =
become ignorant again, and to run the old, old risk of failing to learn.
- Isaac Asimov=20
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The information contained in this document is private and confidential.
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On 2012.12.19, at 2:15 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry to be coming in late in this discussion but I've been following =
the WCIT discussions quite closely including the role of ISOC.
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I guess I'm of two minds on the issue of TC and ISOC. On the one hand I =
agree with the overall general objectives of ISOC and particularly =
concerning the promotion of the Internet. On the other hand I have some =
significant concerns in what role ISOC sees for itself in the broad area =
of Internet Governance and particularly how it sees itself in relation =
to those who refused to sign the overall WCIT resolution (basically the =
US and its allies) and in that context how it sees its role going =
forward.
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I've discussed my thoughts on this in several blog posts and most =
recently in an extended email (immediately below) that I sent to the =
"Governance" list (of the civil society component of the Internet =
Governance Forum). I would be very interested to have Gary and Evan as =
ISOC Canada proponents respond.=20
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Please note that I'm really concerned to discuss how ISOC (and others in =
the technical community) see their role going forward as, as seems =
likely, issues of Internet Governance are going to be front and centre =
for ISOC and civil society in this area for the foreseeable future.
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Best,
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Mike
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From: michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein@ <http://gmail.com> gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:07 AM
To: <mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org> =
governance@lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: Values vs. Interests in IG
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I think now that the smoke from Dubai is starting to clear a little, =
perhaps it would be a good idea for some of the fog to lift as well.
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It seems to me that basic to some of the broad base of confusion(s) =
which seemingly were at play in Dubai (and certainly were pervasive for =
those who weren't there on the ground) is a fundamental (and to a very =
considerable degree--manufactured) confusion between "interests" and =
"values".
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The quote (variously attributed to von Clausewitz, Palmerston and Anon) =
that "States don't have friends, they have interests", probably should =
be updated in the context of a (Facebook et al) broad redefinition of =
the nature of "friends"--to the phrase "States don't have values, they =
have interests"..
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To me, that pretty much sums up the posing and play acting that went on =
in Dubai and particularly frames a useful (i.e. fog free) understanding =
of the outcome. Clearly (to my mind at least) the US and others in the =
(Internet) Freedom League were promoting fairly specific =
commercial/national "interests" (security, trade, capital and revenue =
flows, profits, tax regimes etc.etc.) under the broad guise of Internet =
Freedom/Hands off the Internet. To my mind nothing particularly =
surprising about that (the obverse at least for me would have been the =
surprise).=20
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Equally of course, the guys in the black hats on the other side were =
pursuing national "interests" --security, trade, capital and revenue =
flows, profits, tax regimes etc.etc.--but as seen by and supportive of =
their team/errr side/errr coalition of the signers... nothing surprising =
about this either, and again one would be surprised if it wasn't thus.
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However, what is surprising is the way in which the (Internet) Freedom =
League was able to frame the discussion (they have been reading their =
Lakoff) so decisively as being one of (their) "good" values vs. the =
others "bad" interests!
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Where this gets even more surprising and foggy is why the technical =
community and civil society chose to take sides in this arena rather =
than siding for the Internet (and the "values" that both, but =
particularly the technical community so vigourously and widely have been =
espousing).=20
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Rather than for example, arguing for the Internet as a global public =
good and for the development of arrangements and mechanisms to ensure =
the continuity and development of the Internet in the global public =
interest, for whatever reason they (both the technical community and CS) =
chose to get lost in the fog of battle and accept the public =
declarations of the purity of the "values" of one side, over the rather =
inept if rather more honest declarations of "Interests" (in WCIT =
outcomes and ultimately in the operation of the Internet) by the other =
side. (The role of the ITU in all this as a slightly disingenuous =
"honest broker" is to my mind largely beside the point in this follow on =
discussion.)
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But now that the smoke is clearing and hopefully for some at least, the =
fog is lifting there is now a very significant role for the technical =
community and CS (in their respective roles and hopefully as a united =
coalition of coalitions) to articulate and lead the fight for a vision =
of how the Internet can function as a global public good (as opposed to =
a battlefield of multiple private interests) and what the governance =
structure (or process) for such a beast might look like.
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Mike
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From: <mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca> advisors-admin@tc.ca =
[mailto:advisors- <mailto:admin@tc.ca> admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of Gary W =
Kenward
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:45 AM
To: Evan Leibovitch
Cc: Gareth Shearman; Thompson, Darlene; Garth Graham; Advisors Advisors
Subject: Re: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: =
Expression of interest + survey
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Actually, there are two.
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Gary
THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS DOCUMENT IS PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL.
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On 2012.12.03, at 6:35 PM, Evan Leibovitch < <mailto:evan@telly.org> =
evan@telly.org> wrote:
BTW, one of the organizers of the chapter is subscribed here. ;-)=20
So if you have any questions, ask away!
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- Evan
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On 30 November 2012 12:03, Gareth Shearman < =
<mailto:shearman@victoria.tc.ca> shearman@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
Sorry - I meant an individual member of ISOC, not ICANN!
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Gareth
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On 2012-11-30, at 5:55 AM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
That=E2=80=99s great, Gareth,
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>From my personal POV, I have no interest in creating a regional chapter =
=E2=80=93 but that is because Nunavut is so small. I am thinking that =
getting behind a Canada-wide chapter at this time would be in our best =
interests and then, later, should we choose, creating regional chapters =
once we get the Canada chapter going.
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I have also put N-CAP in as a supporter and answered the survey.
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Btw =E2=80=93 Gareth, you are not an individual member of =
=E2=80=9CICANN=E2=80=9D as ICANN has no membership as such. However, =
you are Chair of an ALS that belongs to the NARALO. If your ALS is part =
of the NARALO, you cannot be an individual rep with the RALO at the same =
time. Just clarifying!
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Darlene A. Thompson
Community Access Program Administrator
Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP
P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
Phone: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5631> (867) 975-5631
Fax: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5610> (867) 975-5610
E-mail: <mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca> dthompson@gov.nu.ca
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From: Gareth Shearman [mailto: <mailto:shearman@victoria.tc.ca> =
shearman@victoria.tc.ca]=20
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:43 PM
To: Thompson, Darlene
Cc: 'Garth Graham'; Advisors Advisors
Subject: Re: [Advisors] Fwd: Internet Society activities in Canada: =
Expression of interest + survey
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I am also an individual member of ICANN and therefore received the same =
announcement that Garth shared with the group.
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I have already indicated my interest to Glenn and Evan who are involved =
with the group wanting to see a Canadian ISOC chapter.
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Given that the group doesn't seem to have any objection I will identify =
myself as a member of TC when I complete the survey.
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Is there enough interest in the various regions to have regional =
chapters, not just a national one?
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Gareth
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On 2012-11-29, at 11:13 AM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
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Hiya Garth,
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This has been discussed in the ICANN circles for a while now and I am =
very eager to see this move forward. I will also support this from my =
end (through my non-profit). I am thinking, however, that since Gareth =
is our President and also involved with ICANN that it may be better for =
these e-mails to be vetted through him and supported by the President of =
our Society.
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Just my two cents worth.
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D
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Darlene A. Thompson
Community Access Program Administrator
Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP
P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
Phone: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5631> (867) 975-5631
Fax: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5610> (867) 975-5610
E-mail: <mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca> dthompson@gov.nu.ca
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From: <mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca> advisors-admin@tc.ca [ =
<mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca> mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of =
Garth Graham
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:34 PM
To: Advisors Advisors
Subject: [Advisors] Fwd: Internet Society activities in Canada: =
Expression of interest + survey
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An objections to or comment re my identifying myself as TC in this =
context?
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GG
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Begin forwarded message:
From: "Internet Society" < <mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org> =
chapter-support@isoc.org>
Subject: Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + =
survey
Date: 29 November, 2012 8:14:28 AM PST
To: < <mailto:garth.graham@telus.net> garth.graham@telus.net>
Reply-To: "None"
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Dear Garth Graham, =20
You are receiving this message as a member of the Internet Society =
(ISOC) in Canada.=20
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The Internet Society is exploring the possible creation of new ISOC =
Chapters in Canada, either as province/territory based Chapters or as a =
larger Chapter. The motivation for this is to provide enhanced =
opportunities for ISOC members to become involved in issues important to =
their local community. You might be aware that there is only one ISOC =
Chapter in Canada, namely in Qu=C3=A9bec ( <http://www.isocquebec.org/> =
http://www.isocquebec.org), at the moment. Other ISOC Chapters in Canada =
went dormant and were closed. =20
The good news is that a new group has emerged looking into the formation =
of a new Chapter in Canada (see <http://isoccanada.pbworks.com/> =
http://isoccanada.pbworks.com).
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WE NEED YOUR HELP
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This email is a request for "Expressions of Interest" and to invite you =
to help us create more Internet Society Chapter(s) in Canada. I would =
thus like to invite you to complete a short survey before Dec 16, 2012 :
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<https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ISOC-Survey-Canada> =
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ISOC-Survey-Canada
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If you are interested, you should be able to spend some time as a =
volunteer helping to shape the future for the Internet Society's Chapter =
activities in Canada. This means taking part in discussions and =
(online)-meetings that cover what role the Chapter should have in =
Canada, what activities it should undertake to advance the ISOC mission, =
how it can best serve it=E2=80=99s membership and how it can become a =
true =E2=80=98multi-stakeholder=E2=80=99 group. It takes time and effort =
to run a successful Chapter and a strong team is therefore needed, =
ideally composed of individuals from many different stakeholder =
organizations.
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FYI, this email has been sent to all Internet Society members in Canada, =
including members of the ISOC Qu=C3=A9bec Chapter as their feedback is =
equally important.
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Please feel free to share this link with other Canadians who could have =
an interest in becoming part of this initiative. This is an open and =
consultative process with an invitation to all those interested to join =
the discussion. Please invite other stakeholders to join the Internet =
Society - membership is free and you can sign up to be a part of this =
discussion at : =
<https://portal.isoc.org/EBusiness/NewMemberStepOne.aspx> =
https://portal.isoc.org/EBusiness/NewMemberStepOne.aspx.
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Let me also use this opportunity to highlight the purpose and scope of =
ISOC Chapters as described in our policies ( =
<https://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/start/chapter-format=
ion-policies> =
https://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/start/chapter-formati=
on-policies) :
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=E2=80=A2 Purpose of Chapters
Chapters of the Internet Society are expected to serve the interests of =
a segment of the global Internet community in a manner consistent with =
themission and principles of the Internet Society. Through a presence =
local to its community of interest, a Chapter focuses on issues and =
developments important to its community. A Chapter recognizes, honours, =
and uses the culture, customs, and language of its community. Every =
Chapter shall have an explicit statement of purpose.
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=E2=80=A2 Scope of Chapters
Chapters may be established on a non-exclusive basis to serve the needs =
of any specific, cohesive community of interest. Multiple Chapters =
serving overlapping communities are not permitted.
Please contact < <mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org> =
chapter-support@isoc.org> should you have any questions.
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Thank you for your support of the Internet Society.
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Best regards,
Sabrina Wilmot
Manager, Chapter Formation
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Toronto Canada
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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
garykenward@eastlink.ca [mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:15 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> advisors@tc.ca; Evan =
Leibovitch<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: =
[Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest =
+ survey<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>So am =
I.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
would also like to see a position from the Canadian Internet tech =
communities. Hopefully, a constructive, inclusive actionable =
position.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>There is much =
work to be done.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 2012-12-20, at 10:11, michael =
gurstein <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>Thanks Gary,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I guess what I'ld be interested in is their/ISOC's response =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>But now that the smoke is clearing and hopefully for some at least, =
the fog is lifting there is now a very significant role for the =
technical community and CS (in their respective roles and hopefully as a =
united coalition of coalitions) to articulate and lead the fight for a =
vision of how the Internet can function as a global public good (as =
opposed to a battlefield of multiple private interests) and what the =
governance structure (or process) for such a beast might look =
like.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca">advisors-admin@tc.ca</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca">mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary W Kenward<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December =
20, 2012 12:33 AM<br><b>Cc:</b> Advisors Advisors<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society =
activities in Canada: Expression of interest + =
survey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Michael:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> The ISOC Canada chapter is still in the =
process of formation. The charter is still being refined in response to =
discussions with ISOC. I will communicate, when I can, any significant =
and relevant progress in this regard. I am also willing to answer any =
questions related to the formation of the chapter, if I feel I =
can.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> Any =
and all statements regarding WCIT and Internet Governance would be my =
own opinion and nothing more. However, as the act of proffering them =
might lead some to mistakenly believe that my statements represent ISOC =
Canada positions, I must, for once, refrain from offering those =
opinions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> I would recommend asking someone from =
ISOC to share their view on WCIT and Internet Governance. Sally =
Wentworth was in Dubai and did an excellent job of reporting on the =
conference - before, during and after - to the ISOC mailing list. There =
is also the ISOC statement concerning the outcome of WCIT available =
at <a =
href=3D"http://www.internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-disappointed=
-over-fundamental-divides-world-conference-international">http://www.inte=
rnetsociety.org/news/internet-society-disappointed-over-fundamental-divid=
es-world-conference-international</a>.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gary<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#511989'>=
<br>-----------------------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>=
</div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#008E00'>To =
introduce something altogether new would mean to begin all over, to =
become ignorant again, and to run the old, old risk of failing to =
learn.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Lucida =
Console";color:#919191'> - Isaac Asimov</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Lucida =
Console";color:#008E00'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida =
Console";color:#919191'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#9C1800'>The information contained in this =
document is private and =
confidential.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
2012.12.19, at 2:15 PM, michael gurstein <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sorry to be coming in late in this discussion but I've been following =
the WCIT discussions quite closely including the role of =
ISOC.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I guess I'm of two minds on the issue of TC and ISOC. On the =
one hand I agree with the overall general objectives of ISOC and =
particularly concerning the promotion of the Internet. On the other hand =
I have some significant concerns in what role ISOC sees for itself in =
the broad area of Internet Governance and particularly how it sees =
itself in relation to those who refused to sign the overall WCIT =
resolution (basically the US and its allies) and in that context how it =
sees its role going forward.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I've discussed my thoughts on this in several blog posts and most =
recently in an extended email (immediately below) that I sent to the =
"Governance" list (of the civil society component of the =
Internet Governance Forum). I would be very interested to have =
Gary and Evan as ISOC Canada proponents =
respond. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Please note that I'm really concerned to discuss how ISOC (and others =
in the technical community) see their role going forward as, as seems =
likely, issues of Internet Governance are going to be front and centre =
for ISOC and civil society in this area for the foreseeable =
future.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>--------------------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>From: michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein@<a =
href=3D"http://gmail.com"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>gmail.com</span></a>]</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:07 =
AM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>To:<span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>governance@lists.igcaucus.org</span></a></span><o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Subject: Values vs. Interests in =
IG</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I think now that the smoke from Dubai is starting to clear a little, =
perhaps it would be a good idea for some of the fog to lift as =
well.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>It seems to me that basic to some of the broad base of confusion(s) =
which seemingly were at play in Dubai (and certainly were pervasive for =
those who weren't there on the ground) is a fundamental (and to a very =
considerable degree--manufactured) confusion between =
"interests" and =
"values".</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The quote (variously attributed to von Clausewitz, Palmerston and =
Anon) that "States don't have friends, they have interests", =
probably should be updated in the context of a (Facebook et al) broad =
redefinition of the nature of "friends"--to the phrase =
"States don't have values, they have =
interests"..</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>To me, that pretty much sums up the posing and play acting that went =
on in Dubai and particularly frames a useful (i.e. fog free) =
understanding of the outcome. Clearly (to my mind at least) the US =
and others in the (Internet) Freedom League were promoting fairly =
specific commercial/national "interests" (security, trade, =
capital and revenue flows, profits, tax regimes etc.etc.) under =
the broad guise of Internet Freedom/Hands off the Internet. To my =
mind nothing particularly surprising about that (the obverse at least =
for me would have been the =
surprise). </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Equally of course, the guys in the black hats on the other side were =
pursuing national "interests" --security, trade, capital and =
revenue flows, profits, tax regimes etc.etc.--but as seen by and =
supportive of their team/errr side/errr coalition of the signers... =
nothing surprising about this either, and again one would be surprised =
if it wasn't thus.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>However, what is surprising is the way in which the (Internet) =
Freedom League was able to frame the discussion (they have been reading =
their Lakoff) so decisively as being one of (their) "good" =
values vs. the others "bad" =
interests!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Where this gets even more surprising and foggy is why the technical =
community and civil society chose to take sides in this arena rather =
than siding for the Internet (and the "values" that both, but =
particularly the technical community so vigourously and widely have been =
espousing). </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Rather than for example, arguing for the Internet as a global public =
good and for the development of arrangements and mechanisms to ensure =
the continuity and development of the Internet in the global public =
interest, for whatever reason they (both the technical community and CS) =
chose to get lost in the fog of battle and accept the public =
declarations of the purity of the "values" of one side, over =
the rather inept if rather more honest declarations of =
"Interests" (in WCIT outcomes and ultimately in the operation =
of the Internet) by the other side. (The role of the ITU in all =
this as a slightly disingenuous "honest broker" is to my mind =
largely beside the point in this follow on =
discussion.)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>But now that the smoke is clearing and hopefully for some at least, =
the fog is lifting there is now a very significant role for the =
technical community and CS (in their respective roles and hopefully as a =
united coalition of coalitions) to articulate and lead the fight for a =
vision of how the Internet can function as a global public good (as =
opposed to a battlefield of multiple private interests) and what the =
governance structure (or process) for such a beast might look =
like.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span=
></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>advisors-admin@tc.ca</span></a><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:advisors-<a =
href=3D"mailto:admin@tc.ca"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>admin@tc.ca</span></a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></b>Gary W =
Kenward<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Thursday, December 06, 2012 =
7:45 AM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Evan =
Leibovitch<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Gareth Shearman; Thompson, =
Darlene; Garth Graham; Advisors Advisors<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Advisors] Internet =
Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + =
survey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Actually, there are =
two.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gary<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:13.5pt'><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif"'><br><br><br><br><br></span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div=
><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#9C1800'>THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS =
DOCUMENT IS PRIVATE AND =
CONFIDENTIAL.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 2012.12.03, at 6:35 PM, Evan Leibovitch <<a =
href=3D"mailto:evan@telly.org"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>evan@telly.org</span></a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>BTW, one of the organizers of the chapter is =
subscribed here. ;-) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So if you have any questions, ask =
away!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- Evan<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 30 November 2012 12:03, Gareth Shearman <<a =
href=3D"mailto:shearman@victoria.tc.ca" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>shearman@victoria.tc.ca</span></a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sorry - I =
meant an individual member of ISOC, not =
ICANN!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#888888'>Gareth</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 2012-11-30, at 5:55 AM, Thompson, Darlene =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>That=E2=80=99s great, =
Gareth,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>From my personal POV, I have no interest in creating a regional =
chapter =E2=80=93 but that is because Nunavut is so small. I am =
thinking that getting behind a Canada-wide chapter at this time would be =
in our best interests and then, later, should we choose, creating =
regional chapters once we get the Canada chapter =
going.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I have also put N-CAP in as a supporter and answered the =
survey.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Btw =E2=80=93 Gareth, you are not an individual member of =
=E2=80=9CICANN=E2=80=9D as ICANN has no membership as such. =
However, you are Chair of an ALS that belongs to the NARALO. If =
your ALS is part of the NARALO, you cannot be an individual rep with the =
RALO at the same time. Just =
clarifying!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>D</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:maroon'>Darlene A. =
Thompson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>Community Access Program =
Administrator</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>Nunavut Dept. of Education / =
N-CAP</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>P.O. Box 1000, Station =
910</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>Iqaluit, NU X0A =
0H0</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>Phone: <span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"tel:%28867%29%20975-5631" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>(867) =
975-5631</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>Fax: <span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"tel:%28867%29%20975-5610" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>(867) =
975-5610</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>E-mail:</span><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old =
Face","serif";color:#333300'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old =
Face","serif";color:#333300'><a href=3D"mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca" =
target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'color:purple'>dthompson@gov.nu.ca</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></=
p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 3.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;z-index:auto'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Gareth=
Shearman [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:shearman@victoria.tc.ca" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>shearman@victoria.tc.ca</span></a>] <br><b>Se=
nt:</b> Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:43 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Thompson, Darlene<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Garth =
Graham'; Advisors Advisors<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Advisors] Fwd: =
Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + =
survey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I am also an individual member of ICANN and therefore =
received the same announcement that Garth shared with the =
group.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I have already indicated my interest to Glenn and Evan =
who are involved with the group wanting to see a Canadian ISOC =
chapter.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Given that the group doesn't seem to have any =
objection I will identify myself as a member of TC when I complete the =
survey.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Is there enough interest in the various regions to =
have regional chapters, not just a national =
one?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gareth<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p=
class=3DMsoNormal>On 2012-11-29, at 11:13 AM, Thompson, Darlene =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hiya Garth,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>This has been discussed in the ICANN circles for a while now and I am =
very eager to see this move forward. I will also support this from =
my end (through my non-profit). I am thinking, however, that since =
Gareth is our President and also involved with ICANN that it may be =
better for these e-mails to be vetted through him and supported by the =
President of our Society.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Just my two cents =
worth.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>D</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:maroon'>Darlene A. =
Thompson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>Community Access Program =
Administrator</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>Nunavut Dept. of Education / =
N-CAP</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>P.O. Box 1000, Station =
910</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>Iqaluit, NU X0A =
0H0</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>Phone: <span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"tel:%28867%29%20975-5631" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>(867) =
975-5631</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>Fax: <span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"tel:%28867%29%20975-5610" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>(867) =
975-5610</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green'>E-mail:</span><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old =
Face","serif";color:#333300'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old =
Face","serif";color:#333300'><a href=3D"mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca" =
target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'color:purple'>dthompson@gov.nu.ca</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></=
p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 3.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>advisors-admin@tc.ca</span></a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca</span></a>] <b>On=
Behalf Of </b>Garth Graham<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November =
29, 2012 12:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> Advisors =
Advisors<br><b>Subject:</b> [Advisors] Fwd: Internet Society =
activities in Canada: Expression of interest + =
survey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>An objections to or comment re my identifying myself =
as TC in this context?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>GG<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Begin forwarded =
message:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>From:&nbs=
p;</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>"Int=
ernet Society" <<a href=3D"mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>chapter-support@isoc.org</span></a>></span><o:p=
></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Subject: =
Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + =
survey</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Date:&nbs=
p;</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>29 =
November, 2012 8:14:28 AM =
PST</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>To: =
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><<a =
href=3D"mailto:garth.graham@telus.net" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>garth.graham@telus.net</span></a>></span><o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Reply-To:=
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>"Non=
e"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Dear Ga=
rth Graham,</span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>You are =
receiving this message as a member of the Internet Society (ISOC) in =
Canada. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>The =
Internet Society is exploring the possible creation of new ISOC Chapters =
in Canada, either as province/territory based Chapters or as a larger =
Chapter. The motivation for this is to provide enhanced =
opportunities for ISOC members to become involved in issues important to =
their local community. You might be aware that there is only =
one ISOC Chapter in Canada, namely in Qu=C3=A9bec (<a =
href=3D"http://www.isocquebec.org/" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>http://www.isocquebec.org</span></a>), at the =
moment. Other ISOC Chapters in Canada went dormant and were closed. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>The good =
news is that a new group has emerged looking into the formation of a new =
Chapter in Canada (see <a href=3D"http://isoccanada.pbworks.com/" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>http://isoccanada.pbworks.com</span></a>).</span><=
o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>WE NEED =
YOUR HELP</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>This email =
is a request for "Expressions of Interest" and to invite you =
to help us create more Internet Society Chapter(s) in Canada. I would =
thus like to invite you to complete a <strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>short survey before Dec =
16, 2012</span></strong> :</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> <a =
href=3D"https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ISOC-Survey-Canada" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ISOC-Survey-Canada<=
/span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>If you are =
interested, you should be able to spend some time as a =
volunteer helping to shape the future for the Internet Society's =
Chapter activities in Canada. This means taking part in discussions =
and (online)-meetings that cover what role the Chapter should have in =
Canada, what activities it should undertake to advance the ISOC mission, =
how it can best serve it=E2=80=99s membership and how it can become =
a true =E2=80=98multi-stakeholder=E2=80=99 group. It takes time and =
effort to run a successful Chapter and a strong team is therefore =
needed, ideally composed of individuals from =
many different stakeholder =
organizations.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>FYI, this =
email has been sent to all Internet Society members in Canada, including =
members of the ISOC Qu=C3=A9bec Chapter as their feedback is equally =
important.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Please feel =
free to share this link with other Canadians who could have an interest =
in becoming part of this initiative. This is an open and =
consultative process with an invitation to all those interested to join =
the discussion. Please invite other stakeholders to join the =
Internet Society - membership is free and you can sign up to be a =
part of this discussion at : <a =
href=3D"https://portal.isoc.org/EBusiness/NewMemberStepOne.aspx" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>https://portal.isoc.org/EBusiness/NewMemberStepOne=
.aspx</span></a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Let me also =
use this opportunity to highlight the purpose and scope of ISOC Chapters =
as described in our policies (<a =
href=3D"https://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/start/chapter=
-formation-policies" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>https://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapter=
s/start/chapter-formation-policies</span></a>) =
:</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>=E2=80=A2&nb=
sp;<strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Purpose =
of Chapters</span></strong></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Chapters of =
the Internet Society are expected to serve the interests of a segment of =
the global Internet community in a manner consistent with themission and =
principles of the Internet Society. Through a presence local to its =
community of interest, a Chapter focuses on issues and developments =
important to its community. A Chapter recognizes, honours, and uses =
the culture, customs, and language of its community. Every Chapter shall =
have an explicit statement of purpose.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>=E2=80=A2&nb=
sp;<strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Scope of =
Chapters</span></strong></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Chapters =
may be established on a non-exclusive basis to serve the needs of any =
specific, cohesive community of interest. Multiple Chapters serving =
overlapping communities are not =
permitted.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Please =
contact <<a href=3D"mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>chapter-support@isoc.org</span></a>> should =
you have any questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Thank you =
for your support of the Internet =
Society.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Best =
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Sabrina =
Wilmot<br>Manager, Chapter =
Formation<br>-------------------------------------------<br>Internet =
Society<br><a href=3D"http://www.internetsociety.org/" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>http://www.internetsociety.org</span></a><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.twitter.com/internetsociety" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>http://www.twitter.com/internetsociety</span></a><=
br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/internetsocietyvideo" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>http://www.youtube.com/internetsocietyvideo</span>=
</a><br>--------------------------------------------<br> </span><o:p=
></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div=
><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div=
><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Evan =
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