[Advisors] Suggestions for questions - CIRA forum
Marita Moll
mmoll at ca.inter.net
Tue, 11 Sep 2012 14:22:43 -0400
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In case you have lost track of it, here is an e-mail with the platform
suggestions we sent to Kevin and his responses. It would be wonderful
if we could originate at least one question on each of this items --
preferably more.
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Subject: Re: platform suggestions
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:57:13 -0700
From: Kevin McArthur <kevin@stormtide.ca>
To: Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net>
Marita,
This all sounds really good, and I can get behind it.
> * Participants in the Canadian Internet Forum expressed that need
> to explore and articulate the public interest in the future
> development and use of the Internet in Canada. In order to do
> this, CIRA must move beyond its traditional role of supporting
> the technical and commercial well-being of the Internet in
> Canada. It will require a reconsideration of its institutional
> design and processes. This should begin with /a full and open
> examination of how such a public resource is managed in other
> jurisdictions. /
>
Is this a reference to how the New Zealand registry is run in a split
design? This features strongly in Michael's platform and I'm definitely
in support of this structure. I've also already featured prominently in
my campaign that I'd like to see CIRA expand the Canadian Internet Forum
into something more than a conference, adopt a meaningful working group
on digital policy (of which the question 'how do we get broadband to
rural Canadians' should feature prominently), adopt a more regulatory
role, and advance a transparency culture so that folks can understand
what the discussions and contentions are within the cira board. You can
also read some of my recommendations on governance reforms (which didnt
go as far as to split the organization) here:
http://www.unrest.ca/comments-on-cira-governance-update .
Specifically on this point take from that:
/"CIRA's role as an advocacy organization to support the deployment of
next generation Internet technologies, digital literacy and
participation in worldwide Internet governance are funded entirely off
the excess registration fees collected and I believe are critically
attached to CIRA's role as the dot-ca operator."
/
>
> * Since it currently manages a substantial public resource, CIRA
> should use more of these resources to pro-actively support
> communities attempting to optimize the economic and social
> utility of networks. For example, CIRA could /champion community
> owned broadband initiatives/ as a way to engage with communities
> who are actively seeking to control their communications
> resources. There are a number of communities that have already
> taken on this role and others that are seeking to do so. CIRA
> should /provide a forum for discussion of such activities and
> assistance in helping them implement their goals./
>
Definitely agree with this. CIRA's leaderships in IXP points are a good
template for how this can work. I'd also suggest that they could engage
as a stakeholder with government when investment-rights legislation is
being considered as those rights often conflict with community-driven
efforts. I have also, in the past and as part of my Net Neutrality
advocacy, suggested that the government needs to delaminate the big ISPs
and enforce open-access requirements -- however, I don't feel this is an
area where CIRA can be much more than a voice-of-support. The forum you
suggest could definitely be part of an expanded Canadian Internet Forum
process. The only part we might have a difference of opinion on is that
I don't believe that CIRA should engage in the direct-funding of
for-profit organizations (especially the big isps)... what tends to
happen when organizations like CIRA start engaging in direct funding is
that the big ISPs end up taking a lot of money and offering very little
in return (see the CRTC efforts for rural broadband that saw cell phone
networks recognized as 'broadband'). So in-short, I'm interested in the
CIP program's participation in community broadband and lots of other
stuff but only on a peer-basis with other not-for-profit organizations.
> * CIRA should also earmark more of the surplus from domain name
> registration fees, etc. to /support community based digital
> literacy programs/. Given that many community access sites have
> been abandoned by the recent cancellation of the federal
> Community Access Program and are struggling to survive, CIRA
> could /investigate ways to reestablish support for this
> inexpensive but hugely effective community program /
>
Definitely in support here and its exactly how the CIP should be picking
up the slack.
....
I'm going to recommend that as the campaign forum opens that you take
these suggestions to the forum (let me know when they'll be posted), so
that I can publicly support them in the campaign. I'll take a review of
my public platform too and see what I can work into a bullet or two.
Thanks for this!
--
Kevin
On 12-08-25 7:02 AM, Marita Moll wrote:
> Hi Kevin. Sorry for the delay. We had a long power outage in the
> area yesterday. It is easy to forget how dependent we are on
> electrical current!
>
> Anyhow, here are some suggestions for you to consider. We had some
> detailed discussions and I have boiled things down to the following
> items. As part of the discussion, one of our group shared some very
> personal experiences of his work in helping First Nations communities
> build broadband networks. It is very thoughtful and speaks to the
> importance of community owned broadband in areas like this. I am
> going to forward it in the next message as a practical example of how
> this plays out "on the ground."
>
> Platform suggestions
>
> * Participants in the Canadian Internet Forum expressed that need
> to explore and articulate the public interest in the future
> development and use of the Internet in Canada. In order to do
> this, CIRA must move beyond its traditional role of supporting
> the technical and commercial well-being of the Internet in
> Canada. It will require a reconsideration of its institutional
> design and processes. This should begin with /a full and open
> examination of how such a public resource is managed in other
> jurisdictions. /
>
> * Since it currently manages a substantial public resource, CIRA
> should use more of these resources to pro-actively support
> communities attempting to optimize the economic and social
> utility of networks. For example, CIRA could /champion community
> owned broadband initiatives/ as a way to engage with communities
> who are actively seeking to control their communications
> resources. There are a number of communities that have already
> taken on this role and others that are seeking to do so. CIRA
> should /provide a forum for discussion of such activities and
> assistance in helping them implement their goals./
>
> * CIRA should also earmark more of the surplus from domain name
> registration fees, etc. to /support community based digital
> literacy programs/. Given that many community access sites have
> been abandoned by the recent cancellation of the federal
> Community Access Program and are struggling to survive, CIRA
> could /investigate ways to reestablish support for this
> inexpensive but hugely effective community program /
>
> Marita
>
> (1)
> _http://cira.ca/assets/Documents/Publications/wp-InternetCIF-CanadaFuture.pdf_
>
>
>
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In case you have lost track of it, here is an e-mail with the platform
suggestions we sent to Kevin and his responses. It would be wonderful
if we could originate at least one question on each of this items --
preferably more. <br>
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<td>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:57:13 -0700</td>
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<td>Kevin McArthur <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kevin@stormtide.ca"><kevin@stormtide.ca></a></td>
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<td>Marita Moll <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net"><mmoll@ca.inter.net></a></td>
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Marita,<br>
<br>
This all sounds really good, and I can get behind it. <br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<ul>
<li><font face="Times New Roman, serif">Participants in the
Canadian Internet Forum expressed that need to explore and articulate
the public interest in the future development and use of the Internet
in Canada. In order to do this, CIRA must move beyond its traditional
role of supporting the technical and commercial well-being of the
Internet in Canada. It will require a reconsideration of its
institutional design and processes. This should begin with <i>a full
and open examination of how such a public resource is managed in other
jurisdictions. </i></font></li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<br>
Is this a reference to how the New Zealand registry is run in a split
design? This features strongly in Michael's platform and I'm definitely
in support of this structure. I've also already featured prominently in
my campaign that I'd like to see CIRA expand the Canadian Internet
Forum into something more than a conference, adopt a meaningful working
group on digital policy (of which the question 'how do we get broadband
to rural Canadians' should feature prominently), adopt a more
regulatory role, and advance a transparency culture so that folks can
understand what the discussions and contentions are within the cira
board. You can also read some of my recommendations on governance
reforms (which didnt go as far as to split the organization) here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.unrest.ca/comments-on-cira-governance-update">http://www.unrest.ca/comments-on-cira-governance-update</a>
. <br>
<br>
Specifically on this point take from that:<br>
<br>
<i>"CIRA's role as an advocacy organization to support the deployment
of next generation Internet technologies, digital literacy and
participation in worldwide Internet governance are funded entirely off
the excess registration fees collected and I believe are critically
attached to CIRA's role as the dot-ca operator."<br>
</i><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<ul>
<li><font face="Times New Roman, serif">Since it currently manages
a substantial public resource, CIRA should use more of these resources
to pro-actively support communities attempting to optimize the economic
and social utility of networks. For example, CIRA could <i>champion
community owned broadband initiatives</i> as a way to engage with
communities who are actively seeking to control their communications
resources. There are a number of communities that have already taken on
this role and others that are seeking to do so. CIRA should <i>provide
a forum for discussion of such activities and assistance in helping
them implement their goals.</i></font></li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<br>
Definitely agree with this. CIRA's leaderships in IXP points are a good
template for how this can work. I'd also suggest that they could engage
as a stakeholder with government when investment-rights legislation is
being considered as those rights often conflict with community-driven
efforts. I have also, in the past and as part of my Net Neutrality
advocacy, suggested that the government needs to delaminate the big
ISPs and enforce open-access requirements -- however, I don't feel this
is an area where CIRA can be much more than a voice-of-support. The
forum you suggest could definitely be part of an expanded Canadian
Internet Forum process. The only part we might have a difference of
opinion on is that I don't believe that CIRA should engage in the
direct-funding of for-profit organizations (especially the big isps)...
what tends to happen when organizations like CIRA start engaging in
direct funding is that the big ISPs end up taking a lot of money and
offering very little in return (see the CRTC efforts for rural
broadband that saw cell phone networks recognized as 'broadband'). So
in-short, I'm interested in the CIP program's participation in
community broadband and lots of other stuff but only on a peer-basis
with other not-for-profit organizations.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<ul>
<li><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><font size="3">CIRA should
also earmark more of the surplus from domain name registration fees,
etc. to <i>support community based digital literacy programs</i>.<span
style="font-style: normal;"> Given that many community access sites
have been abandoned by the recent cancellation of the federal Community
Access Program and are struggling to survive, CIRA could </span><i>investigate
ways to reestablish support for this inexpensive but hugely effective
community program </i></font></font></li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<br>
Definitely in support here and its exactly how the CIP should be
picking up the slack. <br>
<br>
....<br>
<br>
I'm going to recommend that as the campaign forum opens that you take
these suggestions to the forum (let me know when they'll be posted), so
that I can publicly support them in the campaign. I'll take a review of
my public platform too and see what I can work into a bullet or two.<br>
<br>
Thanks for this!<br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
Kevin<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12-08-25 7:02 AM, Marita Moll wrote:<br>
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Hi Kevin. Sorry for the delay. We had a long power outage in the area
yesterday. It is easy to forget how dependent we are on electrical
current! <br>
<br>
Anyhow, here are some suggestions for you to consider. We had some
detailed discussions and I have boiled things down to the following
items. As part of the discussion, one of our group shared some very
personal experiences of his work in helping First Nations communities
build broadband networks. It is very thoughtful and speaks to the
importance of community owned broadband in areas like this. I am going
to forward it in the next message as a practical example of how this
plays out "on the ground."<br>
<br>
Platform suggestions <br>
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<li><font face="Times New Roman, serif">Participants in the
Canadian Internet Forum expressed that need to explore and articulate
the public interest in the future development and use of the Internet
in Canada. In order to do this, CIRA must move beyond its traditional
role of supporting the technical and commercial well-being of the
Internet in Canada. It will require a reconsideration of its
institutional design and processes. This should begin with <i>a full
and open examination of how such a public resource is managed in other
jurisdictions. </i></font></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><font face="Times New Roman, serif">Since it currently manages
a substantial public resource, CIRA should use more of these resources
to pro-actively support communities attempting to optimize the economic
and social utility of networks. For example, CIRA could <i>champion
community owned broadband initiatives</i> as a way to engage with
communities who are actively seeking to control their communications
resources. There are a number of communities that have already taken on
this role and others that are seeking to do so. CIRA should <i>provide
a forum for discussion of such activities and assistance in helping
them implement their goals.</i></font></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><font size="3">CIRA should
also earmark more of the surplus from domain name registration fees,
etc. to <i>support community based digital literacy programs</i>.<span
style="font-style: normal;"> Given that many community access sites
have been abandoned by the recent cancellation of the federal Community
Access Program and are struggling to survive, CIRA could </span><i>investigate
ways to reestablish support for this inexpensive but hugely effective
community program </i></font></font></li>
</ul>
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