[Advisors] YI Delays

Marita Moll mmoll at ca.inter.net
Wed Jun 3 06:41:26 PDT 2015


Has anyone met with her before?

Marita

On 6/3/2015 9:26 AM, Monique Chartrand wrote:
> Yes she is and It is a very good idea !
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Monique
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>
> Le 2015-06-03 à 09:21, Marita Moll a écrit :
>
>> I was thinking of trying to organize a meeting with Sheila Smail.  Is 
>> she not the head of all access programs at the moment?
>>
>> Marita
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/2015 8:42 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>> I think it all happened quite fast and by surprise to be honest. We 
>>> have never been asked to prepare a proposal so early. We would get 
>>> the call perhaps in April or May and submit it and that was the 
>>> process. (Actually April or May would've been considered early, more 
>>> like June and July). We were asked early and then it was literally 
>>> taken apart and we realize the program has completely changed.
>>> For us it was so many emails on clarifications and changes with our 
>>> program officer so I'm not sure they even realize there's a national 
>>> group. The folks we are talking to now truly have no memory of any 
>>> of the history.  I also don't think they want to. It's been made 
>>> clear again that treasury board does not see the value of this 
>>> program supporting old former CAP Sites.
>>>
>>> I do wish there was a meeting like the old days where they would 
>>> consult with us on how the program is delivered on the ground. There 
>>> is such a difference between what they write down on paper and how 
>>> it actually happens in communities. THAT is what they're missing. 
>>>  That would be a valuable meeting.  Another good point for a meeting 
>>> with them would be about nonprofit ICT.  I mean really?  Who gave 
>>> them the idea that there was nonprofit aerospace, game developers or 
>>> software developers in rural Canada. These are corporations. So for 
>>> us, a reality check meeting would probably be great.
>>>
>>> I said to our program officer in Ottawa that I thought it was sad 
>>> that this was now becoming an urban program and not rural anymore. 
>>>  The urban areas are way you're going to likely find anything 
>>> nonprofit or an association that supports a higher degree of ICT 
>>> training. Our really small rural communities really do rely on youth 
>>> interns because when they are in the library or center, the 
>>> community gets the ONLY  ICT training available in that community 
>>> for the duration of the internship. Our program officer responded 
>>> saying that the old mandate was still in place, to help those in 
>>> need, the poor, aboriginal, the elderly etc.
>>>
>>> Anyone else really missing Doug Hull and Pam Menchions 😕
>>>
>>> Bev
>>>
>>> PS:  this email is meant only for the TC advisors group.
>>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net 
>>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am wondering if it would help at all to try to arrange a meeting 
>>>> -- I know most people could not make it to Ottawa but it could be a 
>>>> teleconference at the same time.  Or have you all already aired 
>>>> these problems with reps in Ottawa to no avail.
>>>>
>>>> Marita
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/2015 10:20 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We won’t be able to use our admin budget (10%) on hiring a 
>>>>> provincial coordinator – we can’t leave youth to run the program 
>>>>>  - there MUST be non-youth oversight, reporting, financial, 
>>>>> sending cheques, communicating with supervisors.  One way we 
>>>>> administer the program is to leave the youth to the interns – but 
>>>>> the supervisors, managers, administrators, library coordinators 
>>>>> are dealt with by us.  We’ve met most of them and know them.  It 
>>>>> makes for an easy roll-out.  I can’t EVEN imagine throwing a new 
>>>>> person into the job of communicating to interns AND supervisors 
>>>>> while LEARNING the program.  Next year maybe as we would make 
>>>>> changes so that could happen – but I’m just not sure how this will 
>>>>> work.   WE are responsible for the final reports – and these are 
>>>>> usually done in April/May when the youth interns are long gone – I 
>>>>> can’t imagine being left in the position of sorting through the 
>>>>> work of interns that have worked on their own to compile reports.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bev
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* advisors-bounces at tc.ca [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On 
>>>>> Behalf Of *Monique Chartrand
>>>>> *Sent:* June 2, 2015 6:50 AM
>>>>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> For our part, the impacts of the changes, that we’re still trying 
>>>>> to understand the meaning, appear majors.
>>>>>
>>>>> We understand that the internships should provide opportunities to 
>>>>> develop ICT skills and to allow non-profit organizations, offering 
>>>>> internships in promising fields, to benefit from those skills.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are not sure to understand Industry Canada's definition of ICT 
>>>>> and their link with internships in aerospace and video games NPOs. 
>>>>> In fact, we don't find a lot of high-tech NPOs. We continue to 
>>>>> look around for those because we’re asked to do so again and 
>>>>> again. We also question the relevance of this type of internships 
>>>>> that have more to do with the private sector, that already pays 
>>>>> for those and don’t represent de facto a particular challenge for 
>>>>> the employability of young people involved in these professions. 
>>>>> No doubt they lack of manpower in these areas, but would those 
>>>>> internships really make a difference?
>>>>>
>>>>> Our two major difficulties are therefore to understand the program 
>>>>> since Industry Canada's proposal and job description is the same 
>>>>> as before. Yet again, it seems clear to us that the internships in 
>>>>> the CAP sites were very powerful for young interns regarding their 
>>>>> appropriation of the ICTs and also to help communities to use them 
>>>>> for economic and community development based on "Connect Canada". 
>>>>> They had an opportunity to develop certain XXI century's skills, 
>>>>> which are the most sought after by companies across all skills.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other challenge regards the administrative changes. In our 
>>>>> practice, the 8% given to administrative costs (10% before 
>>>>> benefits) was already a financial deficit that we accept to fill 
>>>>> since we implemented a facilitating operational system regarding 
>>>>> the bureaucratic procedures, which is no longer accepted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, the organizations (NPOs) must be autonomous in their 
>>>>> management (which suggests that we'll have to do a lot of 
>>>>> administrative reviews and more to get all the administrative 
>>>>> documentation in time, so more administration and not less), and 
>>>>> no internship for the provincial coordination.
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition, we need to spend a lot of the administrative budget 
>>>>> in the hiring of a full-time coordinator, which we want for years 
>>>>> to the extent that we would have a three-year agreement or renewed 
>>>>> in March to avoid breaks, which we can't afford with uncertain 
>>>>> agreements signature or months later. Confirming the refusal to 
>>>>> pay the time that our team put.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we are a little puzzled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Monique
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 2015-06-02 à 09:23, Bev Collins a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     June is when they deliberate over the proposals that came in.
>>>>>     It's changed so much that anyone who used to deliver to CAP
>>>>>     Sites are probably in trouble this year.
>>>>>
>>>>>     I sent them the CBC story that was done on lapsed funding, and
>>>>>     the reporter said it was because of delays in getting the
>>>>>     project started. We are already behind, this program is
>>>>>     supposed to start April 1. If they decide in June and provide
>>>>>     a CA in June we will still be into July and probably August
>>>>>     for hiring.
>>>>>
>>>>>     The ones that do or will get CA's this year will be expected
>>>>>     to do more with less. It reminds me of what we said 5 or 6
>>>>>     years ago, that they won't kill the program they will just
>>>>>     starve it.  Well now they aren't starving  it necessarily...
>>>>>     but over complicating it by micromanaging. Now even the 10%
>>>>>     that was provided to organizations to use to manage the
>>>>>     program is being managed by industry Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Bev
>>>>>
>>>>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dana Perry
>>>>>         <awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca
>>>>>         <mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         Hi Marita...we have been able to tap into the YI program
>>>>>         here in Nova
>>>>>
>>>>>         Scotia...as for details etc I am unable to accurately
>>>>>         report on
>>>>>
>>>>>         that...perhaps Karen Parusel can speak to that.  We are
>>>>>         going ahead
>>>>>
>>>>>         and hiring CAP youth for the summer and into the
>>>>>         Fall/Winter in
>>>>>
>>>>>         support of the Nova Scotia Community Access Program...:)
>>>>>
>>>>>         Dana
>>>>>
>>>>>         Quoting Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>>>>         <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>:
>>>>>
>>>>>             Thanks Clarice.  I know you folks in Manitoba use this
>>>>>             program as
>>>>>
>>>>>             does Vancouver Comm. Net and the networks Bev. works
>>>>>             with under
>>>>>
>>>>>             PCNA.  Who else out there is affected?
>>>>>
>>>>>             Marita
>>>>>
>>>>>                 On 6/1/2015 8:28 PM, cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>>>>                 <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 No not cancelled, but trying their best to force
>>>>>                 us to withdraw of
>>>>>
>>>>>                 our own volition. Don't think anyone has yet. I
>>>>>                 just resent them
>>>>>
>>>>>                 our major successes ( which the previous
>>>>>                 administration had)  and
>>>>>
>>>>>                 ‎some history of the program.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 *From: *Marita Moll
>>>>>
>>>>>                 *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 7:24 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>                 *To: *cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>>>>                 <mailto:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 *Cc: *Bev Collins; 'TC Advisors'
>>>>>
>>>>>                 *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Hello all.  So has the program been cancelled
>>>>>                 completely, or reduced?
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Marita
>>>>>
>>>>>                     On 5/11/2015 10:12 AM,
>>>>>                     cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>>>>                     <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Thanks Bev, sounds consistent with his way of
>>>>>                     thinking. ‎Too bad
>>>>>
>>>>>                     they cannot see the long term benefits of the
>>>>>                     program.
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>>>
>>>>>                     *From: *Bev Collins
>>>>>
>>>>>                     *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:01 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>                     *To: *'TC Advisors'
>>>>>
>>>>>                     *Subject: *[Advisors] YI Delays
>>>>>
>>>>>                     I see some reasons behind the delays now…
>>>>>
>>>>>                     I was told last week by our Industry Canada
>>>>>                     officer that it was
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Treasury board that “was not keen on the YI
>>>>>                     program as they
>>>>>
>>>>>                     associate it with the CAP program that ended
>>>>>                     in 2012 and question
>>>>>
>>>>>                     why this program has not also ended.”   The
>>>>>                     delays are with
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Treasury Board – last year it was very late.
>>>>>
>>>>>                     If you all remember in 2010 it was then
>>>>>                     Industry Canada Minister
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Tony Clement that cancelled cap then quickly
>>>>>                     reinstated it when
>>>>>
>>>>>                     caught in a media scrum – how embarrassing was
>>>>>                     that.   Now he’s
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Treasury Board chair.
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Bev
>>>>>
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