[Advisors] YI Delays
Marita Moll
mmoll at ca.inter.net
Wed Jun 3 06:41:26 PDT 2015
Has anyone met with her before?
Marita
On 6/3/2015 9:26 AM, Monique Chartrand wrote:
> Yes she is and It is a very good idea !
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Monique
>
>
> Le 2015-06-03 à 09:21, Marita Moll a écrit :
>
>> I was thinking of trying to organize a meeting with Sheila Smail. Is
>> she not the head of all access programs at the moment?
>>
>> Marita
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/2015 8:42 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>> I think it all happened quite fast and by surprise to be honest. We
>>> have never been asked to prepare a proposal so early. We would get
>>> the call perhaps in April or May and submit it and that was the
>>> process. (Actually April or May would've been considered early, more
>>> like June and July). We were asked early and then it was literally
>>> taken apart and we realize the program has completely changed.
>>> For us it was so many emails on clarifications and changes with our
>>> program officer so I'm not sure they even realize there's a national
>>> group. The folks we are talking to now truly have no memory of any
>>> of the history. I also don't think they want to. It's been made
>>> clear again that treasury board does not see the value of this
>>> program supporting old former CAP Sites.
>>>
>>> I do wish there was a meeting like the old days where they would
>>> consult with us on how the program is delivered on the ground. There
>>> is such a difference between what they write down on paper and how
>>> it actually happens in communities. THAT is what they're missing.
>>> That would be a valuable meeting. Another good point for a meeting
>>> with them would be about nonprofit ICT. I mean really? Who gave
>>> them the idea that there was nonprofit aerospace, game developers or
>>> software developers in rural Canada. These are corporations. So for
>>> us, a reality check meeting would probably be great.
>>>
>>> I said to our program officer in Ottawa that I thought it was sad
>>> that this was now becoming an urban program and not rural anymore.
>>> The urban areas are way you're going to likely find anything
>>> nonprofit or an association that supports a higher degree of ICT
>>> training. Our really small rural communities really do rely on youth
>>> interns because when they are in the library or center, the
>>> community gets the ONLY ICT training available in that community
>>> for the duration of the internship. Our program officer responded
>>> saying that the old mandate was still in place, to help those in
>>> need, the poor, aboriginal, the elderly etc.
>>>
>>> Anyone else really missing Doug Hull and Pam Menchions 😕
>>>
>>> Bev
>>>
>>> PS: this email is meant only for the TC advisors group.
>>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am wondering if it would help at all to try to arrange a meeting
>>>> -- I know most people could not make it to Ottawa but it could be a
>>>> teleconference at the same time. Or have you all already aired
>>>> these problems with reps in Ottawa to no avail.
>>>>
>>>> Marita
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/2015 10:20 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We won’t be able to use our admin budget (10%) on hiring a
>>>>> provincial coordinator – we can’t leave youth to run the program
>>>>> - there MUST be non-youth oversight, reporting, financial,
>>>>> sending cheques, communicating with supervisors. One way we
>>>>> administer the program is to leave the youth to the interns – but
>>>>> the supervisors, managers, administrators, library coordinators
>>>>> are dealt with by us. We’ve met most of them and know them. It
>>>>> makes for an easy roll-out. I can’t EVEN imagine throwing a new
>>>>> person into the job of communicating to interns AND supervisors
>>>>> while LEARNING the program. Next year maybe as we would make
>>>>> changes so that could happen – but I’m just not sure how this will
>>>>> work. WE are responsible for the final reports – and these are
>>>>> usually done in April/May when the youth interns are long gone – I
>>>>> can’t imagine being left in the position of sorting through the
>>>>> work of interns that have worked on their own to compile reports.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bev
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* advisors-bounces at tc.ca [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Monique Chartrand
>>>>> *Sent:* June 2, 2015 6:50 AM
>>>>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> For our part, the impacts of the changes, that we’re still trying
>>>>> to understand the meaning, appear majors.
>>>>>
>>>>> We understand that the internships should provide opportunities to
>>>>> develop ICT skills and to allow non-profit organizations, offering
>>>>> internships in promising fields, to benefit from those skills.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are not sure to understand Industry Canada's definition of ICT
>>>>> and their link with internships in aerospace and video games NPOs.
>>>>> In fact, we don't find a lot of high-tech NPOs. We continue to
>>>>> look around for those because we’re asked to do so again and
>>>>> again. We also question the relevance of this type of internships
>>>>> that have more to do with the private sector, that already pays
>>>>> for those and don’t represent de facto a particular challenge for
>>>>> the employability of young people involved in these professions.
>>>>> No doubt they lack of manpower in these areas, but would those
>>>>> internships really make a difference?
>>>>>
>>>>> Our two major difficulties are therefore to understand the program
>>>>> since Industry Canada's proposal and job description is the same
>>>>> as before. Yet again, it seems clear to us that the internships in
>>>>> the CAP sites were very powerful for young interns regarding their
>>>>> appropriation of the ICTs and also to help communities to use them
>>>>> for economic and community development based on "Connect Canada".
>>>>> They had an opportunity to develop certain XXI century's skills,
>>>>> which are the most sought after by companies across all skills.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other challenge regards the administrative changes. In our
>>>>> practice, the 8% given to administrative costs (10% before
>>>>> benefits) was already a financial deficit that we accept to fill
>>>>> since we implemented a facilitating operational system regarding
>>>>> the bureaucratic procedures, which is no longer accepted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, the organizations (NPOs) must be autonomous in their
>>>>> management (which suggests that we'll have to do a lot of
>>>>> administrative reviews and more to get all the administrative
>>>>> documentation in time, so more administration and not less), and
>>>>> no internship for the provincial coordination.
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition, we need to spend a lot of the administrative budget
>>>>> in the hiring of a full-time coordinator, which we want for years
>>>>> to the extent that we would have a three-year agreement or renewed
>>>>> in March to avoid breaks, which we can't afford with uncertain
>>>>> agreements signature or months later. Confirming the refusal to
>>>>> pay the time that our team put.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we are a little puzzled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Monique
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 2015-06-02 à 09:23, Bev Collins a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> June is when they deliberate over the proposals that came in.
>>>>> It's changed so much that anyone who used to deliver to CAP
>>>>> Sites are probably in trouble this year.
>>>>>
>>>>> I sent them the CBC story that was done on lapsed funding, and
>>>>> the reporter said it was because of delays in getting the
>>>>> project started. We are already behind, this program is
>>>>> supposed to start April 1. If they decide in June and provide
>>>>> a CA in June we will still be into July and probably August
>>>>> for hiring.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ones that do or will get CA's this year will be expected
>>>>> to do more with less. It reminds me of what we said 5 or 6
>>>>> years ago, that they won't kill the program they will just
>>>>> starve it. Well now they aren't starving it necessarily...
>>>>> but over complicating it by micromanaging. Now even the 10%
>>>>> that was provided to organizations to use to manage the
>>>>> program is being managed by industry Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bev
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dana Perry
>>>>> <awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca
>>>>> <mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Marita...we have been able to tap into the YI program
>>>>> here in Nova
>>>>>
>>>>> Scotia...as for details etc I am unable to accurately
>>>>> report on
>>>>>
>>>>> that...perhaps Karen Parusel can speak to that. We are
>>>>> going ahead
>>>>>
>>>>> and hiring CAP youth for the summer and into the
>>>>> Fall/Winter in
>>>>>
>>>>> support of the Nova Scotia Community Access Program...:)
>>>>>
>>>>> Dana
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>>>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Clarice. I know you folks in Manitoba use this
>>>>> program as
>>>>>
>>>>> does Vancouver Comm. Net and the networks Bev. works
>>>>> with under
>>>>>
>>>>> PCNA. Who else out there is affected?
>>>>>
>>>>> Marita
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/1/2015 8:28 PM, cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>>>> <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No not cancelled, but trying their best to force
>>>>> us to withdraw of
>>>>>
>>>>> our own volition. Don't think anyone has yet. I
>>>>> just resent them
>>>>>
>>>>> our major successes ( which the previous
>>>>> administration had) and
>>>>>
>>>>> some history of the program.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Marita Moll
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 7:24 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> *To: *cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>>>> <mailto:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Cc: *Bev Collins; 'TC Advisors'
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all. So has the program been cancelled
>>>>> completely, or reduced?
>>>>>
>>>>> Marita
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/11/2015 10:12 AM,
>>>>> cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>>>> <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Bev, sounds consistent with his way of
>>>>> thinking. Too bad
>>>>>
>>>>> they cannot see the long term benefits of the
>>>>> program.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Bev Collins
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:01 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> *To: *'TC Advisors'
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject: *[Advisors] YI Delays
>>>>>
>>>>> I see some reasons behind the delays now…
>>>>>
>>>>> I was told last week by our Industry Canada
>>>>> officer that it was
>>>>>
>>>>> Treasury board that “was not keen on the YI
>>>>> program as they
>>>>>
>>>>> associate it with the CAP program that ended
>>>>> in 2012 and question
>>>>>
>>>>> why this program has not also ended.” The
>>>>> delays are with
>>>>>
>>>>> Treasury Board – last year it was very late.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you all remember in 2010 it was then
>>>>> Industry Canada Minister
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony Clement that cancelled cap then quickly
>>>>> reinstated it when
>>>>>
>>>>> caught in a media scrum – how embarrassing was
>>>>> that. Now he’s
>>>>>
>>>>> Treasury Board chair.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bev
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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