[Advisors] YI Delays

Marita Moll mmoll at ca.inter.net
Mon Jun 8 17:53:06 PDT 2015


Okay, who would be interested in attending a meeting with Sheila Smail 
-- either in person or via teleconference?  If it is going to include 
me, this would have to be done before the end of June.

Marita

On 6/3/2015 10:36 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>
> CBC ran the story on lapsed funding clearly pointing to the government 
> as the fault for delays…..yet we are being made to feel like it’s our 
> fault.  Perhaps it getting “out” wouldn’t be such a bad idea :/
>
> *From:* cleader at mb.e-association.ca [mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca]
> *Sent:* June 3, 2015 7:28 AM
> *To:* Bev Collins; Monique Chartrand
> *Cc:* TC Advisors
> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
> Tentative agreement, not sure I believe it will be of any use. Budget 
> is passed, direction given with regard to it and all government staff 
> will now be in a weird holding pattern until after the election. 
> Energy may be better spent ensuring those running for election know in 
> the ridings you serve know the history and value of the program. So 
> that whichever party gets in knows this is an important issue to the 
> people who live in their riding. However, a meeting may be of use in 
> that it would give them an out if the press gets hold of it, and they 
> can say "oh we are or have met with representatives of these delivery 
> agents". Whether they would then be able to act on it and relieve the 
> strain for this year I doubt very much. Sorry all, having been a 
> government employee advising a minister on program delivery for twenty 
> plus years before taking on MBE  makes me somewhat jaded as to the 
> outcome of such meetings.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>
> *From: *Bev Collins
>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 3, 2015 9:01 AM
>
> *To: *Monique Chartrandensuring‎
>
> *Cc: *TC Advisors
>
> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
> Agree!
>
> *From:* advisors-bounces at tc.ca <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca> 
> [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On Behalf Of *Monique Chartrand
> *Sent:* June 3, 2015 6:26 AM
> *Cc:* TC Advisors
> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
> Yes she is and It is a very good idea !
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Monique
>
> Le 2015-06-03 à 09:21, Marita Moll a écrit :
>
>
>
>
>     I was thinking of trying to organize a meeting with Sheila Smail. 
>     Is she not the head of all access programs at the moment?
>
>     Marita
>
>
>     On 6/3/2015 8:42 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>
>         I think it all happened quite fast and by surprise to be
>         honest. We have never been asked to prepare a proposal so
>         early. We would get the call perhaps in April or May and
>         submit it and that was the process. (Actually April or May
>         would've been considered early, more like June and July). We
>         were asked early and then it was literally taken apart and we
>         realize the program has completely changed.
>
>         For us it was so many emails on clarifications and changes
>         with our program officer so I'm not sure they even realize
>         there's a national group. The folks we are talking to now
>         truly have no memory of any of the history.  I also don't
>         think they want to. It's been made clear again that
>         treasury board does not see the value of this program
>         supporting old former CAP Sites.
>
>         I do wish there was a meeting like the old days where they
>         would consult with us on how the program is delivered on the
>         ground. There is such a difference between what they write
>         down on paper and how it actually happens in communities. THAT
>         is what they're missing.  That would be a valuable meeting.
>          Another good point for a meeting with them would be about
>         nonprofit ICT.  I mean really?  Who gave them the idea that
>         there was nonprofit aerospace, game developers or software
>         developers in rural Canada. These are corporations. So for us,
>         a reality check meeting would probably be great.
>
>         I said to our program officer in Ottawa that I thought it was
>         sad that this was now becoming an urban program and not rural
>         anymore.  The urban areas are way you're going to likely find
>         anything nonprofit or an association that supports a higher
>         degree of ICT training. Our really small rural communities
>         really do rely on youth interns because when they are in the
>         library or center, the community gets the ONLY  ICT training
>         available in that community for the duration of the
>         internship. Our program officer responded saying that the old
>         mandate was still in place, to help those in need, the poor,
>         aboriginal, the elderly etc.
>
>         Anyone else really missing Doug Hull and Pam Menchions 😕
>
>
>         Bev
>
>         PS:  this email is meant only for the TC advisors group.
>
>
>         On Jun 3, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>         <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>
>             I am wondering if it would help at all to try to arrange a
>             meeting -- I know most people could not make it to Ottawa
>             but it could be a teleconference at the same time.  Or
>             have you all already aired these problems with reps in
>             Ottawa to no avail.
>
>             Marita
>
>             On 6/2/2015 10:20 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>
>                 We won’t be able to use our admin budget (10%) on
>                 hiring a provincial coordinator – we can’t leave youth
>                 to run the program  - there MUST be non-youth
>                 oversight, reporting, financial, sending cheques,
>                 communicating with supervisors.  One way we administer
>                 the program is to leave the youth to the interns – but
>                 the supervisors, managers, administrators, library
>                 coordinators are dealt with by us.  We’ve met most of
>                 them and know them.  It makes for an easy roll-out.  I
>                 can’t EVEN imagine throwing a new person into the job
>                 of communicating to interns AND supervisors while
>                 LEARNING the program.  Next year maybe as we would
>                 make changes so that could happen – but I’m just not
>                 sure how this will work.   WE are responsible for the
>                 final reports – and these are usually done in
>                 April/May when the youth interns are long gone – I
>                 can’t imagine being left in the position of sorting
>                 through the work of interns that have worked on their
>                 own to compile reports.
>
>                 Bev
>
>                 *From:* advisors-bounces at tc.ca
>                 <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca>
>                 [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On Behalf Of *Monique
>                 Chartrand
>                 *Sent:* June 2, 2015 6:50 AM
>                 *Cc:* TC Advisors
>                 *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
>                 Hello,
>
>                 For our part, the impacts of the changes, that we’re
>                 still trying to understand the meaning, appear majors.
>
>                 We understand that the internships should provide
>                 opportunities to develop ICT skills and to allow
>                 non-profit organizations, offering internships in
>                 promising fields, to benefit from those skills.
>
>                 We are not sure to understand Industry Canada's
>                 definition of ICT and their link with internships in
>                 aerospace and video games NPOs. In fact, we don't find
>                 a lot of high-tech NPOs. We continue to look around
>                 for those because we’re asked to do so again and
>                 again. We also question the relevance of this type of
>                 internships that have more to do with the private
>                 sector, that already pays for those and don’t
>                 represent de facto a particular challenge for the
>                 employability of young people involved in these
>                 professions. No doubt they lack of manpower in these
>                 areas, but would those internships really make a
>                 difference?
>
>                 Our two major difficulties are therefore to understand
>                 the program since Industry Canada's proposal and job
>                 description is the same as before. Yet again, it seems
>                 clear to us that the internships in the CAP sites were
>                 very powerful for young interns regarding their
>                 appropriation of the ICTs and also to help communities
>                 to use them for economic and community development
>                 based on "Connect Canada". They had an opportunity to
>                 develop certain XXI century's skills, which are the
>                 most sought after by companies across all skills.
>
>                 The other challenge regards the administrative
>                 changes. In our practice, the 8% given to
>                 administrative costs (10% before benefits) was already
>                 a financial deficit that we accept to fill since we
>                 implemented a facilitating operational system
>                 regarding the bureaucratic procedures, which is no
>                 longer accepted.
>
>                 Also, the organizations (NPOs) must be autonomous in
>                 their management (which suggests that we'll have to do
>                 a lot of administrative reviews and more to get all
>                 the administrative documentation in time, so more
>                 administration and not less), and no internship for
>                 the provincial coordination.
>
>                 In addition, we need to spend a lot of the
>                 administrative budget in the hiring of a full-time
>                 coordinator, which we want for years to the extent
>                 that we would have a three-year agreement or renewed
>                 in March to avoid breaks, which we can't afford with
>                 uncertain agreements signature or months later.
>                 Confirming the refusal to pay the time that our team put.
>
>                 So we are a little puzzled.
>
>                 Monique
>
>                 Le 2015-06-02 à 09:23, Bev Collins a écrit :
>
>
>
>
>
>                     June is when they deliberate over the proposals
>                     that came in. It's changed so much that anyone who
>                     used to deliver to CAP Sites are probably in
>                     trouble this year.
>
>                     I sent them the CBC story that was done on lapsed
>                     funding, and the reporter said it was because of
>                     delays in getting the project started. We are
>                     already behind, this program is supposed to start
>                     April 1. If they decide in June and provide a CA
>                     in June we will still be into July and probably
>                     August for hiring.
>
>                     The ones that do or will get CA's this year will
>                     be expected to do more with less. It reminds me of
>                     what we said 5 or 6 years ago, that they won't
>                     kill the program they will just starve it.  Well
>                     now they aren't starving  it necessarily... but
>                     over complicating it by micromanaging. Now even
>                     the 10% that was provided to organizations to use
>                     to manage the program is being managed by industry
>                     Canada.
>
>                     Bev
>
>                     Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>                         On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dana Perry
>                         <awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca
>                         <mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>> wrote:
>
>                         Hi Marita...we have been able to tap into the
>                         YI program here in Nova
>
>                         Scotia...as for details etc I am unable to
>                         accurately report on
>
>                         that...perhaps Karen Parusel can speak to
>                         that.  We are going ahead
>
>                         and hiring CAP youth for the summer and into
>                         the Fall/Winter in
>
>                         support of the Nova Scotia Community Access
>                         Program...:)
>
>                         Dana
>
>                         Quoting Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>                         <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>:
>
>                             Thanks Clarice.  I know you folks in
>                             Manitoba use this program as
>
>                             does Vancouver Comm. Net and the networks
>                             Bev. works with under
>
>                             PCNA.  Who else out there is affected?
>
>                             Marita
>
>                                 On 6/1/2015 8:28 PM,
>                                 cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>                                 <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>                                 wrote:
>
>                                 No not cancelled, but trying their
>                                 best to force us to withdraw of
>
>                                 our own volition. Don't think anyone
>                                 has yet. I just resent them
>
>                                 our major successes ( which the
>                                 previous administration had)  and
>
>                                 ‎some history of the program.
>
>                                 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>
>                                 *From: *Marita Moll
>
>                                 *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 7:24 PM
>
>                                 *To: *cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>                                 <mailto:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>
>                                 *Cc: *Bev Collins; 'TC Advisors'
>
>                                 *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
>                                 Hello all.  So has the program been
>                                 cancelled completely, or reduced?
>
>                                 Marita
>
>                                     On 5/11/2015 10:12 AM,
>                                     cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>                                     <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>                                     wrote:
>
>                                     Thanks Bev, sounds consistent with
>                                     his way of thinking. ‎Too bad
>
>                                     they cannot see the long term
>                                     benefits of the program.
>
>                                     Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>
>                                     *From: *Bev Collins
>
>                                     *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:01 PM
>
>                                     *To: *'TC Advisors'
>
>                                     *Subject: *[Advisors] YI Delays
>
>                                     I see some reasons behind the
>                                     delays now…
>
>                                     I was told last week by our
>                                     Industry Canada officer that it was
>
>                                     Treasury board that “was not keen
>                                     on the YI program as they
>
>                                     associate it with the CAP program
>                                     that ended in 2012 and question
>
>                                     why this program has not also
>                                     ended.”   The delays are with
>
>                                     Treasury Board – last year it was
>                                     very late.
>
>                                     If you all remember in 2010 it was
>                                     then Industry Canada Minister
>
>                                     Tony Clement that cancelled cap
>                                     then quickly reinstated it when
>
>                                     caught in a media scrum – how
>                                     embarrassing was that.   Now he’s
>
>                                     Treasury Board chair.
>
>                                     Bev
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