[Advisors] YI Delays
Marita Moll
mmoll at ca.inter.net
Mon Jun 8 17:53:06 PDT 2015
Okay, who would be interested in attending a meeting with Sheila Smail
-- either in person or via teleconference? If it is going to include
me, this would have to be done before the end of June.
Marita
On 6/3/2015 10:36 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>
> CBC ran the story on lapsed funding clearly pointing to the government
> as the fault for delays…..yet we are being made to feel like it’s our
> fault. Perhaps it getting “out” wouldn’t be such a bad idea :/
>
> *From:* cleader at mb.e-association.ca [mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca]
> *Sent:* June 3, 2015 7:28 AM
> *To:* Bev Collins; Monique Chartrand
> *Cc:* TC Advisors
> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
> Tentative agreement, not sure I believe it will be of any use. Budget
> is passed, direction given with regard to it and all government staff
> will now be in a weird holding pattern until after the election.
> Energy may be better spent ensuring those running for election know in
> the ridings you serve know the history and value of the program. So
> that whichever party gets in knows this is an important issue to the
> people who live in their riding. However, a meeting may be of use in
> that it would give them an out if the press gets hold of it, and they
> can say "oh we are or have met with representatives of these delivery
> agents". Whether they would then be able to act on it and relieve the
> strain for this year I doubt very much. Sorry all, having been a
> government employee advising a minister on program delivery for twenty
> plus years before taking on MBE makes me somewhat jaded as to the
> outcome of such meetings.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>
> *From: *Bev Collins
>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 3, 2015 9:01 AM
>
> *To: *Monique Chartrandensuring
>
> *Cc: *TC Advisors
>
> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
> Agree!
>
> *From:* advisors-bounces at tc.ca <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca>
> [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On Behalf Of *Monique Chartrand
> *Sent:* June 3, 2015 6:26 AM
> *Cc:* TC Advisors
> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
> Yes she is and It is a very good idea !
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Monique
>
> Le 2015-06-03 à 09:21, Marita Moll a écrit :
>
>
>
>
> I was thinking of trying to organize a meeting with Sheila Smail.
> Is she not the head of all access programs at the moment?
>
> Marita
>
>
> On 6/3/2015 8:42 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>
> I think it all happened quite fast and by surprise to be
> honest. We have never been asked to prepare a proposal so
> early. We would get the call perhaps in April or May and
> submit it and that was the process. (Actually April or May
> would've been considered early, more like June and July). We
> were asked early and then it was literally taken apart and we
> realize the program has completely changed.
>
> For us it was so many emails on clarifications and changes
> with our program officer so I'm not sure they even realize
> there's a national group. The folks we are talking to now
> truly have no memory of any of the history. I also don't
> think they want to. It's been made clear again that
> treasury board does not see the value of this program
> supporting old former CAP Sites.
>
> I do wish there was a meeting like the old days where they
> would consult with us on how the program is delivered on the
> ground. There is such a difference between what they write
> down on paper and how it actually happens in communities. THAT
> is what they're missing. That would be a valuable meeting.
> Another good point for a meeting with them would be about
> nonprofit ICT. I mean really? Who gave them the idea that
> there was nonprofit aerospace, game developers or software
> developers in rural Canada. These are corporations. So for us,
> a reality check meeting would probably be great.
>
> I said to our program officer in Ottawa that I thought it was
> sad that this was now becoming an urban program and not rural
> anymore. The urban areas are way you're going to likely find
> anything nonprofit or an association that supports a higher
> degree of ICT training. Our really small rural communities
> really do rely on youth interns because when they are in the
> library or center, the community gets the ONLY ICT training
> available in that community for the duration of the
> internship. Our program officer responded saying that the old
> mandate was still in place, to help those in need, the poor,
> aboriginal, the elderly etc.
>
> Anyone else really missing Doug Hull and Pam Menchions 😕
>
>
> Bev
>
> PS: this email is meant only for the TC advisors group.
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>
> I am wondering if it would help at all to try to arrange a
> meeting -- I know most people could not make it to Ottawa
> but it could be a teleconference at the same time. Or
> have you all already aired these problems with reps in
> Ottawa to no avail.
>
> Marita
>
> On 6/2/2015 10:20 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>
> We won’t be able to use our admin budget (10%) on
> hiring a provincial coordinator – we can’t leave youth
> to run the program - there MUST be non-youth
> oversight, reporting, financial, sending cheques,
> communicating with supervisors. One way we administer
> the program is to leave the youth to the interns – but
> the supervisors, managers, administrators, library
> coordinators are dealt with by us. We’ve met most of
> them and know them. It makes for an easy roll-out. I
> can’t EVEN imagine throwing a new person into the job
> of communicating to interns AND supervisors while
> LEARNING the program. Next year maybe as we would
> make changes so that could happen – but I’m just not
> sure how this will work. WE are responsible for the
> final reports – and these are usually done in
> April/May when the youth interns are long gone – I
> can’t imagine being left in the position of sorting
> through the work of interns that have worked on their
> own to compile reports.
>
> Bev
>
> *From:* advisors-bounces at tc.ca
> <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca>
> [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On Behalf Of *Monique
> Chartrand
> *Sent:* June 2, 2015 6:50 AM
> *Cc:* TC Advisors
> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
> Hello,
>
> For our part, the impacts of the changes, that we’re
> still trying to understand the meaning, appear majors.
>
> We understand that the internships should provide
> opportunities to develop ICT skills and to allow
> non-profit organizations, offering internships in
> promising fields, to benefit from those skills.
>
> We are not sure to understand Industry Canada's
> definition of ICT and their link with internships in
> aerospace and video games NPOs. In fact, we don't find
> a lot of high-tech NPOs. We continue to look around
> for those because we’re asked to do so again and
> again. We also question the relevance of this type of
> internships that have more to do with the private
> sector, that already pays for those and don’t
> represent de facto a particular challenge for the
> employability of young people involved in these
> professions. No doubt they lack of manpower in these
> areas, but would those internships really make a
> difference?
>
> Our two major difficulties are therefore to understand
> the program since Industry Canada's proposal and job
> description is the same as before. Yet again, it seems
> clear to us that the internships in the CAP sites were
> very powerful for young interns regarding their
> appropriation of the ICTs and also to help communities
> to use them for economic and community development
> based on "Connect Canada". They had an opportunity to
> develop certain XXI century's skills, which are the
> most sought after by companies across all skills.
>
> The other challenge regards the administrative
> changes. In our practice, the 8% given to
> administrative costs (10% before benefits) was already
> a financial deficit that we accept to fill since we
> implemented a facilitating operational system
> regarding the bureaucratic procedures, which is no
> longer accepted.
>
> Also, the organizations (NPOs) must be autonomous in
> their management (which suggests that we'll have to do
> a lot of administrative reviews and more to get all
> the administrative documentation in time, so more
> administration and not less), and no internship for
> the provincial coordination.
>
> In addition, we need to spend a lot of the
> administrative budget in the hiring of a full-time
> coordinator, which we want for years to the extent
> that we would have a three-year agreement or renewed
> in March to avoid breaks, which we can't afford with
> uncertain agreements signature or months later.
> Confirming the refusal to pay the time that our team put.
>
> So we are a little puzzled.
>
> Monique
>
> Le 2015-06-02 à 09:23, Bev Collins a écrit :
>
>
>
>
>
> June is when they deliberate over the proposals
> that came in. It's changed so much that anyone who
> used to deliver to CAP Sites are probably in
> trouble this year.
>
> I sent them the CBC story that was done on lapsed
> funding, and the reporter said it was because of
> delays in getting the project started. We are
> already behind, this program is supposed to start
> April 1. If they decide in June and provide a CA
> in June we will still be into July and probably
> August for hiring.
>
> The ones that do or will get CA's this year will
> be expected to do more with less. It reminds me of
> what we said 5 or 6 years ago, that they won't
> kill the program they will just starve it. Well
> now they aren't starving it necessarily... but
> over complicating it by micromanaging. Now even
> the 10% that was provided to organizations to use
> to manage the program is being managed by industry
> Canada.
>
> Bev
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dana Perry
> <awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca
> <mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>> wrote:
>
> Hi Marita...we have been able to tap into the
> YI program here in Nova
>
> Scotia...as for details etc I am unable to
> accurately report on
>
> that...perhaps Karen Parusel can speak to
> that. We are going ahead
>
> and hiring CAP youth for the summer and into
> the Fall/Winter in
>
> support of the Nova Scotia Community Access
> Program...:)
>
> Dana
>
> Quoting Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>:
>
> Thanks Clarice. I know you folks in
> Manitoba use this program as
>
> does Vancouver Comm. Net and the networks
> Bev. works with under
>
> PCNA. Who else out there is affected?
>
> Marita
>
> On 6/1/2015 8:28 PM,
> cleader at mb.e-association.ca
> <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
> wrote:
>
> No not cancelled, but trying their
> best to force us to withdraw of
>
> our own volition. Don't think anyone
> has yet. I just resent them
>
> our major successes ( which the
> previous administration had) and
>
> some history of the program.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>
> *From: *Marita Moll
>
> *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 7:24 PM
>
> *To: *cleader at mb.e-association.ca
> <mailto:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>
> *Cc: *Bev Collins; 'TC Advisors'
>
> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
> Hello all. So has the program been
> cancelled completely, or reduced?
>
> Marita
>
> On 5/11/2015 10:12 AM,
> cleader at mb.e-association.ca
> <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bev, sounds consistent with
> his way of thinking. Too bad
>
> they cannot see the long term
> benefits of the program.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>
> *From: *Bev Collins
>
> *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:01 PM
>
> *To: *'TC Advisors'
>
> *Subject: *[Advisors] YI Delays
>
> I see some reasons behind the
> delays now…
>
> I was told last week by our
> Industry Canada officer that it was
>
> Treasury board that “was not keen
> on the YI program as they
>
> associate it with the CAP program
> that ended in 2012 and question
>
> why this program has not also
> ended.” The delays are with
>
> Treasury Board – last year it was
> very late.
>
> If you all remember in 2010 it was
> then Industry Canada Minister
>
> Tony Clement that cancelled cap
> then quickly reinstated it when
>
> caught in a media scrum – how
> embarrassing was that. Now he’s
>
> Treasury Board chair.
>
> Bev
>
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