[Advisors] YI Delays
Tracey Axelsson
vcned at vcn.bc.ca
Tue Jun 9 09:44:49 PDT 2015
Hi all
I am not sure i would be an asset at this kind of meeting. I have way
less experience running the program.
But if you need an extra face in the crowd I'd be there!
all the best
Tracey
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Tracey Axelsson
Executive Director
Vancouver Community Network
T: 778.724.0241 ext. 602
C: 604.831.3793
On 2015-06-08 5:53 PM, Marita Moll wrote:
> Okay, who would be interested in attending a meeting with Sheila Smail
> -- either in person or via teleconference? If it is going to include
> me, this would have to be done before the end of June.
>
> Marita
>
> On 6/3/2015 10:36 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>
>> CBC ran the story on lapsed funding clearly pointing to the
>> government as the fault for delays…..yet we are being made to feel
>> like it’s our fault. Perhaps it getting “out” wouldn’t be such a bad
>> idea :/
>>
>> *From:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca [mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca]
>> *Sent:* June 3, 2015 7:28 AM
>> *To:* Bev Collins; Monique Chartrand
>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>
>> Tentative agreement, not sure I believe it will be of any use. Budget
>> is passed, direction given with regard to it and all government staff
>> will now be in a weird holding pattern until after the election.
>> Energy may be better spent ensuring those running for election know
>> in the ridings you serve know the history and value of the program.
>> So that whichever party gets in knows this is an important issue to
>> the people who live in their riding. However, a meeting may be of use
>> in that it would give them an out if the press gets hold of it, and
>> they can say "oh we are or have met with representatives of these
>> delivery agents". Whether they would then be able to act on it and
>> relieve the strain for this year I doubt very much. Sorry all, having
>> been a government employee advising a minister on program delivery
>> for twenty plus years before taking on MBE makes me somewhat jaded
>> as to the outcome of such meetings.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>
>> *From: *Bev Collins
>>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 3, 2015 9:01 AM
>>
>> *To: *Monique Chartrandensuring
>>
>> *Cc: *TC Advisors
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>
>> Agree!
>>
>> *From:*advisors-bounces at tc.ca <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca>
>> [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On Behalf Of *Monique Chartrand
>> *Sent:* June 3, 2015 6:26 AM
>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>
>> Yes she is and It is a very good idea !
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Monique
>>
>> Le 2015-06-03 à 09:21, Marita Moll a écrit :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I was thinking of trying to organize a meeting with Sheila
>> Smail. Is she not the head of all access programs at the moment?
>>
>> Marita
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/2015 8:42 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>
>> I think it all happened quite fast and by surprise to be
>> honest. We have never been asked to prepare a proposal so
>> early. We would get the call perhaps in April or May and
>> submit it and that was the process. (Actually April or May
>> would've been considered early, more like June and July). We
>> were asked early and then it was literally taken apart and we
>> realize the program has completely changed.
>>
>> For us it was so many emails on clarifications and changes
>> with our program officer so I'm not sure they even realize
>> there's a national group. The folks we are talking to now
>> truly have no memory of any of the history. I also don't
>> think they want to. It's been made clear again that
>> treasury board does not see the value of this program
>> supporting old former CAP Sites.
>>
>> I do wish there was a meeting like the old days where they
>> would consult with us on how the program is delivered on the
>> ground. There is such a difference between what they write
>> down on paper and how it actually happens in communities.
>> THAT is what they're missing. That would be a valuable
>> meeting. Another good point for a meeting with them would be
>> about nonprofit ICT. I mean really? Who gave them the idea
>> that there was nonprofit aerospace, game developers or
>> software developers in rural Canada. These are corporations.
>> So for us, a reality check meeting would probably be great.
>>
>> I said to our program officer in Ottawa that I thought it was
>> sad that this was now becoming an urban program and not rural
>> anymore. The urban areas are way you're going to likely find
>> anything nonprofit or an association that supports a higher
>> degree of ICT training. Our really small rural communities
>> really do rely on youth interns because when they are in the
>> library or center, the community gets the ONLY ICT training
>> available in that community for the duration of the
>> internship. Our program officer responded saying that the old
>> mandate was still in place, to help those in need, the poor,
>> aboriginal, the elderly etc.
>>
>> Anyone else really missing Doug Hull and Pam Menchions 😕
>>
>>
>> Bev
>>
>> PS: this email is meant only for the TC advisors group.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I am wondering if it would help at all to try to arrange
>> a meeting -- I know most people could not make it to
>> Ottawa but it could be a teleconference at the same
>> time. Or have you all already aired these problems with
>> reps in Ottawa to no avail.
>>
>> Marita
>>
>> On 6/2/2015 10:20 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>
>> We won’t be able to use our admin budget (10%) on
>> hiring a provincial coordinator – we can’t leave
>> youth to run the program - there MUST be non-youth
>> oversight, reporting, financial, sending cheques,
>> communicating with supervisors. One way we
>> administer the program is to leave the youth to the
>> interns – but the supervisors, managers,
>> administrators, library coordinators are dealt with
>> by us. We’ve met most of them and know them. It
>> makes for an easy roll-out. I can’t EVEN imagine
>> throwing a new person into the job of communicating
>> to interns AND supervisors while LEARNING the
>> program. Next year maybe as we would make changes so
>> that could happen – but I’m just not sure how this
>> will work. WE are responsible for the final reports
>> – and these are usually done in April/May when the
>> youth interns are long gone – I can’t imagine being
>> left in the position of sorting through the work of
>> interns that have worked on their own to compile reports.
>>
>> Bev
>>
>> *From:*advisors-bounces at tc.ca
>> <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca>
>> [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On Behalf Of
>> *Monique Chartrand
>> *Sent:* June 2, 2015 6:50 AM
>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> For our part, the impacts of the changes, that we’re
>> still trying to understand the meaning, appear majors.
>>
>> We understand that the internships should provide
>> opportunities to develop ICT skills and to allow
>> non-profit organizations, offering internships in
>> promising fields, to benefit from those skills.
>>
>> We are not sure to understand Industry Canada's
>> definition of ICT and their link with internships in
>> aerospace and video games NPOs. In fact, we don't
>> find a lot of high-tech NPOs. We continue to look
>> around for those because we’re asked to do so again
>> and again. We also question the relevance of this
>> type of internships that have more to do with the
>> private sector, that already pays for those and don’t
>> represent de facto a particular challenge for the
>> employability of young people involved in these
>> professions. No doubt they lack of manpower in these
>> areas, but would those internships really make a
>> difference?
>>
>> Our two major difficulties are therefore to
>> understand the program since Industry Canada's
>> proposal and job description is the same as before.
>> Yet again, it seems clear to us that the internships
>> in the CAP sites were very powerful for young interns
>> regarding their appropriation of the ICTs and also to
>> help communities to use them for economic and
>> community development based on "Connect Canada". They
>> had an opportunity to develop certain XXI century's
>> skills, which are the most sought after by companies
>> across all skills.
>>
>> The other challenge regards the administrative
>> changes. In our practice, the 8% given to
>> administrative costs (10% before benefits) was
>> already a financial deficit that we accept to fill
>> since we implemented a facilitating operational
>> system regarding the bureaucratic procedures, which
>> is no longer accepted.
>>
>> Also, the organizations (NPOs) must be autonomous in
>> their management (which suggests that we'll have to
>> do a lot of administrative reviews and more to get
>> all the administrative documentation in time, so more
>> administration and not less), and no internship for
>> the provincial coordination.
>>
>> In addition, we need to spend a lot of the
>> administrative budget in the hiring of a full-time
>> coordinator, which we want for years to the extent
>> that we would have a three-year agreement or renewed
>> in March to avoid breaks, which we can't afford with
>> uncertain agreements signature or months later.
>> Confirming the refusal to pay the time that our team put.
>>
>> So we are a little puzzled.
>>
>> Monique
>>
>> Le 2015-06-02 à 09:23, Bev Collins a écrit :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> June is when they deliberate over the proposals
>> that came in. It's changed so much that anyone
>> who used to deliver to CAP Sites are probably in
>> trouble this year.
>>
>> I sent them the CBC story that was done on lapsed
>> funding, and the reporter said it was because of
>> delays in getting the project started. We are
>> already behind, this program is supposed to start
>> April 1. If they decide in June and provide a CA
>> in June we will still be into July and probably
>> August for hiring.
>>
>> The ones that do or will get CA's this year will
>> be expected to do more with less. It reminds me
>> of what we said 5 or 6 years ago, that they won't
>> kill the program they will just starve it. Well
>> now they aren't starving it necessarily... but
>> over complicating it by micromanaging. Now even
>> the 10% that was provided to organizations to use
>> to manage the program is being managed by
>> industry Canada.
>>
>> Bev
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dana Perry
>> <awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca
>> <mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Marita...we have been able to tap into the
>> YI program here in Nova
>>
>> Scotia...as for details etc I am unable to
>> accurately report on
>>
>> that...perhaps Karen Parusel can speak to
>> that. We are going ahead
>>
>> and hiring CAP youth for the summer and into
>> the Fall/Winter in
>>
>> support of the Nova Scotia Community Access
>> Program...:)
>>
>> Dana
>>
>> Quoting Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>:
>>
>> Thanks Clarice. I know you folks in
>> Manitoba use this program as
>>
>> does Vancouver Comm. Net and the networks
>> Bev. works with under
>>
>> PCNA. Who else out there is affected?
>>
>> Marita
>>
>> On 6/1/2015 8:28 PM,
>> cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>> <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> No not cancelled, but trying their
>> best to force us to withdraw of
>>
>> our own volition. Don't think anyone
>> has yet. I just resent them
>>
>> our major successes ( which the
>> previous administration had) and
>>
>> some history of the program.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>
>> *From: *Marita Moll
>>
>> *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 7:24 PM
>>
>> *To: *cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>> <mailto:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>
>> *Cc: *Bev Collins; 'TC Advisors'
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>
>> Hello all. So has the program been
>> cancelled completely, or reduced?
>>
>> Marita
>>
>> On 5/11/2015 10:12 AM,
>> cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>> <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Bev, sounds consistent
>> with his way of thinking. Too bad
>>
>> they cannot see the long term
>> benefits of the program.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10
>> smartphone.
>>
>> *From: *Bev Collins
>>
>> *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:01 PM
>>
>> *To: *'TC Advisors'
>>
>> *Subject: *[Advisors] YI Delays
>>
>> I see some reasons behind the
>> delays now…
>>
>> I was told last week by our
>> Industry Canada officer that it was
>>
>> Treasury board that “was not keen
>> on the YI program as they
>>
>> associate it with the CAP program
>> that ended in 2012 and question
>>
>> why this program has not also
>> ended.” The delays are with
>>
>> Treasury Board – last year it was
>> very late.
>>
>> If you all remember in 2010 it
>> was then Industry Canada Minister
>>
>> Tony Clement that cancelled cap
>> then quickly reinstated it when
>>
>> caught in a media scrum – how
>> embarrassing was that. Now he’s
>>
>> Treasury Board chair.
>>
>> Bev
>>
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