[Advisors] YI Delays

Tracey Axelsson vcned at vcn.bc.ca
Tue Jun 9 09:44:49 PDT 2015


Hi all

I am not sure i would be an asset at this kind of meeting.  I have way 
less experience running the program.

But if you need an extra face in the crowd I'd be there!

all the best

Tracey
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Tracey Axelsson
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On 2015-06-08 5:53 PM, Marita Moll wrote:
> Okay, who would be interested in attending a meeting with Sheila Smail 
> -- either in person or via teleconference?  If it is going to include 
> me, this would have to be done before the end of June.
>
> Marita
>
> On 6/3/2015 10:36 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>
>> CBC ran the story on lapsed funding clearly pointing to the 
>> government as the fault for delays…..yet we are being made to feel 
>> like it’s our fault.  Perhaps it getting “out” wouldn’t be such a bad 
>> idea :/
>>
>> *From:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca [mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca]
>> *Sent:* June 3, 2015 7:28 AM
>> *To:* Bev Collins; Monique Chartrand
>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>
>> Tentative agreement, not sure I believe it will be of any use. Budget 
>> is passed, direction given with regard to it and all government staff 
>> will now be in a weird holding pattern until after the election. 
>> Energy may be better spent ensuring those running for election know 
>> in the ridings you serve know the history and value of the program. 
>> So that whichever party gets in knows this is an important issue to 
>> the people who live in their riding. However, a meeting may be of use 
>> in that it would give them an out if the press gets hold of it, and 
>> they can say "oh we are or have met with representatives of these 
>> delivery agents". Whether they would then be able to act on it and 
>> relieve the strain for this year I doubt very much. Sorry all, having 
>> been a government employee advising a minister on program delivery 
>> for twenty plus years before taking on MBE  makes me somewhat jaded 
>> as to the outcome of such meetings.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>
>> *From: *Bev Collins
>>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 3, 2015 9:01 AM
>>
>> *To: *Monique Chartrandensuring‎
>>
>> *Cc: *TC Advisors
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>
>> Agree!
>>
>> *From:*advisors-bounces at tc.ca <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca> 
>> [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On Behalf Of *Monique Chartrand
>> *Sent:* June 3, 2015 6:26 AM
>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>
>> Yes she is and It is a very good idea !
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Monique
>>
>> Le 2015-06-03 à 09:21, Marita Moll a écrit :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     I was thinking of trying to organize a meeting with Sheila
>>     Smail.  Is she not the head of all access programs at the moment?
>>
>>     Marita
>>
>>
>>     On 6/3/2015 8:42 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>
>>         I think it all happened quite fast and by surprise to be
>>         honest. We have never been asked to prepare a proposal so
>>         early. We would get the call perhaps in April or May and
>>         submit it and that was the process. (Actually April or May
>>         would've been considered early, more like June and July). We
>>         were asked early and then it was literally taken apart and we
>>         realize the program has completely changed.
>>
>>         For us it was so many emails on clarifications and changes
>>         with our program officer so I'm not sure they even realize
>>         there's a national group. The folks we are talking to now
>>         truly have no memory of any of the history.  I also don't
>>         think they want to. It's been made clear again that
>>         treasury board does not see the value of this program
>>         supporting old former CAP Sites.
>>
>>         I do wish there was a meeting like the old days where they
>>         would consult with us on how the program is delivered on the
>>         ground. There is such a difference between what they write
>>         down on paper and how it actually happens in communities.
>>         THAT is what they're missing.  That would be a valuable
>>         meeting.  Another good point for a meeting with them would be
>>         about nonprofit ICT.  I mean really?  Who gave them the idea
>>         that there was nonprofit aerospace, game developers or
>>         software developers in rural Canada. These are corporations.
>>         So for us, a reality check meeting would probably be great.
>>
>>         I said to our program officer in Ottawa that I thought it was
>>         sad that this was now becoming an urban program and not rural
>>         anymore.  The urban areas are way you're going to likely find
>>         anything nonprofit or an association that supports a higher
>>         degree of ICT training. Our really small rural communities
>>         really do rely on youth interns because when they are in the
>>         library or center, the community gets the ONLY  ICT training
>>         available in that community for the duration of the
>>         internship. Our program officer responded saying that the old
>>         mandate was still in place, to help those in need, the poor,
>>         aboriginal, the elderly etc.
>>
>>         Anyone else really missing Doug Hull and Pam Menchions 😕
>>
>>
>>         Bev
>>
>>         PS:  this email is meant only for the TC advisors group.
>>
>>
>>         On Jun 3, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>         <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>>
>>             I am wondering if it would help at all to try to arrange
>>             a meeting -- I know most people could not make it to
>>             Ottawa but it could be a teleconference at the same
>>             time.  Or have you all already aired these problems with
>>             reps in Ottawa to no avail.
>>
>>             Marita
>>
>>             On 6/2/2015 10:20 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>
>>                 We won’t be able to use our admin budget (10%) on
>>                 hiring a provincial coordinator – we can’t leave
>>                 youth to run the program  - there MUST be non-youth
>>                 oversight, reporting, financial, sending cheques,
>>                 communicating with supervisors.  One way we
>>                 administer the program is to leave the youth to the
>>                 interns – but the supervisors, managers,
>>                 administrators, library coordinators are dealt with
>>                 by us. We’ve met most of them and know them.  It
>>                 makes for an easy roll-out.  I can’t EVEN imagine
>>                 throwing a new person into the job of communicating
>>                 to interns AND supervisors while LEARNING the
>>                 program.  Next year maybe as we would make changes so
>>                 that could happen – but I’m just not sure how this
>>                 will work.   WE are responsible for the final reports
>>                 – and these are usually done in April/May when the
>>                 youth interns are long gone – I can’t imagine being
>>                 left in the position of sorting through the work of
>>                 interns that have worked on their own to compile reports.
>>
>>                 Bev
>>
>>                 *From:*advisors-bounces at tc.ca
>>                 <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca>
>>                 [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On Behalf Of
>>                 *Monique Chartrand
>>                 *Sent:* June 2, 2015 6:50 AM
>>                 *Cc:* TC Advisors
>>                 *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>
>>                 Hello,
>>
>>                 For our part, the impacts of the changes, that we’re
>>                 still trying to understand the meaning, appear majors.
>>
>>                 We understand that the internships should provide
>>                 opportunities to develop ICT skills and to allow
>>                 non-profit organizations, offering internships in
>>                 promising fields, to benefit from those skills.
>>
>>                 We are not sure to understand Industry Canada's
>>                 definition of ICT and their link with internships in
>>                 aerospace and video games NPOs. In fact, we don't
>>                 find a lot of high-tech NPOs. We continue to look
>>                 around for those because we’re asked to do so again
>>                 and again. We also question the relevance of this
>>                 type of internships that have more to do with the
>>                 private sector, that already pays for those and don’t
>>                 represent de facto a particular challenge for the
>>                 employability of young people involved in these
>>                 professions. No doubt they lack of manpower in these
>>                 areas, but would those internships really make a
>>                 difference?
>>
>>                 Our two major difficulties are therefore to
>>                 understand the program since Industry Canada's
>>                 proposal and job description is the same as before.
>>                 Yet again, it seems clear to us that the internships
>>                 in the CAP sites were very powerful for young interns
>>                 regarding their appropriation of the ICTs and also to
>>                 help communities to use them for economic and
>>                 community development based on "Connect Canada". They
>>                 had an opportunity to develop certain XXI century's
>>                 skills, which are the most sought after by companies
>>                 across all skills.
>>
>>                 The other challenge regards the administrative
>>                 changes. In our practice, the 8% given to
>>                 administrative costs (10% before benefits) was
>>                 already a financial deficit that we accept to fill
>>                 since we implemented a facilitating operational
>>                 system regarding the bureaucratic procedures, which
>>                 is no longer accepted.
>>
>>                 Also, the organizations (NPOs) must be autonomous in
>>                 their management (which suggests that we'll have to
>>                 do a lot of administrative reviews and more to get
>>                 all the administrative documentation in time, so more
>>                 administration and not less), and no internship for
>>                 the provincial coordination.
>>
>>                 In addition, we need to spend a lot of the
>>                 administrative budget in the hiring of a full-time
>>                 coordinator, which we want for years to the extent
>>                 that we would have a three-year agreement or renewed
>>                 in March to avoid breaks, which we can't afford with
>>                 uncertain agreements signature or months later.
>>                 Confirming the refusal to pay the time that our team put.
>>
>>                 So we are a little puzzled.
>>
>>                 Monique
>>
>>                 Le 2015-06-02 à 09:23, Bev Collins a écrit :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                     June is when they deliberate over the proposals
>>                     that came in. It's changed so much that anyone
>>                     who used to deliver to CAP Sites are probably in
>>                     trouble this year.
>>
>>                     I sent them the CBC story that was done on lapsed
>>                     funding, and the reporter said it was because of
>>                     delays in getting the project started. We are
>>                     already behind, this program is supposed to start
>>                     April 1. If they decide in June and provide a CA
>>                     in June we will still be into July and probably
>>                     August for hiring.
>>
>>                     The ones that do or will get CA's this year will
>>                     be expected to do more with less. It reminds me
>>                     of what we said 5 or 6 years ago, that they won't
>>                     kill the program they will just starve it.  Well
>>                     now they aren't starving  it necessarily... but
>>                     over complicating it by micromanaging. Now even
>>                     the 10% that was provided to organizations to use
>>                     to manage the program is being managed by
>>                     industry Canada.
>>
>>                     Bev
>>
>>                     Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                         On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dana Perry
>>                         <awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca
>>                         <mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>                         Hi Marita...we have been able to tap into the
>>                         YI program here in Nova
>>
>>                         Scotia...as for details etc I am unable to
>>                         accurately report on
>>
>>                         that...perhaps Karen Parusel can speak to
>>                         that.  We are going ahead
>>
>>                         and hiring CAP youth for the summer and into
>>                         the Fall/Winter in
>>
>>                         support of the Nova Scotia Community Access
>>                         Program...:)
>>
>>                         Dana
>>
>>                         Quoting Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>                         <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>:
>>
>>                             Thanks Clarice.  I know you folks in
>>                             Manitoba use this program as
>>
>>                             does Vancouver Comm. Net and the networks
>>                             Bev. works with under
>>
>>                             PCNA.  Who else out there is affected?
>>
>>                             Marita
>>
>>                                 On 6/1/2015 8:28 PM,
>>                                 cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>                                 <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>                                 wrote:
>>
>>                                 No not cancelled, but trying their
>>                                 best to force us to withdraw of
>>
>>                                 our own volition. Don't think anyone
>>                                 has yet. I just resent them
>>
>>                                 our major successes ( which the
>>                                 previous administration had)  and
>>
>>                                 ‎some history of the program.
>>
>>                                 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>
>>                                 *From: *Marita Moll
>>
>>                                 *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 7:24 PM
>>
>>                                 *To: *cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>                                 <mailto:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>
>>                                 *Cc: *Bev Collins; 'TC Advisors'
>>
>>                                 *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>
>>                                 Hello all.  So has the program been
>>                                 cancelled completely, or reduced?
>>
>>                                 Marita
>>
>>                                     On 5/11/2015 10:12 AM,
>>                                     cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>                                     <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>                                     wrote:
>>
>>                                     Thanks Bev, sounds consistent
>>                                     with his way of thinking. ‎Too bad
>>
>>                                     they cannot see the long term
>>                                     benefits of the program.
>>
>>                                     Sent from my BlackBerry 10
>>                                     smartphone.
>>
>>                                     *From: *Bev Collins
>>
>>                                     *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:01 PM
>>
>>                                     *To: *'TC Advisors'
>>
>>                                     *Subject: *[Advisors] YI Delays
>>
>>                                     I see some reasons behind the
>>                                     delays now…
>>
>>                                     I was told last week by our
>>                                     Industry Canada officer that it was
>>
>>                                     Treasury board that “was not keen
>>                                     on the YI program as they
>>
>>                                     associate it with the CAP program
>>                                     that ended in 2012 and question
>>
>>                                     why this program has not also
>>                                     ended.”   The delays are with
>>
>>                                     Treasury Board – last year it was
>>                                     very late.
>>
>>                                     If you all remember in 2010 it
>>                                     was then Industry Canada Minister
>>
>>                                     Tony Clement that cancelled cap
>>                                     then quickly reinstated it when
>>
>>                                     caught in a media scrum – how
>>                                     embarrassing was that.   Now he’s
>>
>>                                     Treasury Board chair.
>>
>>                                     Bev
>>
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