<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><b>From:</b> Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><br><b>Date:</b> April 4, 2017 at 10:25:50 AM CDT<br><b>To:</b> "Ian! D. Allen" <<a href="mailto:idallen@idallen.ca">idallen@idallen.ca</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Garth Graham <<a href="mailto:garth.graham@telus.net">garth.graham@telus.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> <b>Re: an issue for community network technical administrators</b><br><br></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Thanks to Ian and Garth for responding to this request for input. Shelley Robinson (NCF) and I and a few other comnet supporters here at the ARIN meeting asked that this proposal be reconsidered and this suggestion was well received. We will probably have further input on the rewrite of this. It is important to keep community networks on the radar at all levels.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Marita</span><br><span></span><br><span>Sent from my iPad</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Apr 2, 2017, at 12:29 AM, Ian! D. Allen <<a href="mailto:idallen@idallen.ca">idallen@idallen.ca</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 10:28:12AM -0400, Marita Moll wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Ian. You probably know more about this than most. Any comments?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I don't know about it. Maybe talk to NCF?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It doesn't hurt to leave it in, does it? It could be useful if</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>community networks knew about it, which I'm sure they don't.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"Few people would think of building bridges if the counted how many</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>people swam the river."</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Marita</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>-------- Forwarded Message --------</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: an issue for community network technical administrators</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 10:26:39 -0400</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> From: Marita Moll [1]<<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> To: TC Advisors [2]<<a href="mailto:advisors@tc.ca">advisors@tc.ca</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hello all. I am attending the general assembly of North American At-Large</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Organizations this week (New Orleans) which is combined with the annual</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>meeting of ARIN (American Registry for Internet Numbers -- yes, the people who</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>manage the Internet numbers for all of us).</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I was quickly running through some of the stuff that was being discussed,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>voted on at ARIN and I noticed the motion to get rid of this section of their</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>policy that was specifically set up for community networks. It doesn't mean a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>lot to me, but it might be relevant to those who manage the technology. I am</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>sure anyone will be allowed to speak on this if they have an objection.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Here is the except from the policy manual of the piece they are proposing to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>delete for lack of use/interest. Please let me know if the removal of this</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>special status (for obtaining numbers, I am guessing) will affect your</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>networks.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>--------------------------------------------------</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>6.5.9. Community Network Assignments</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>While community networks would normally be considered to be ISP type</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>organizations under existing ARIN criteria, they tend to operate on much</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>tighter budgets and often depend on volunteer labor. As a result, they tend to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>be much smaller and more communal in their organization rather than</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>provider/customer relationships of commercial ISPs. This section seeks to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>provide policy that is more friendly to those environments by allowing them to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>use end-user criteria.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>6.5.9.1. Qualification Criteria</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To qualify under this section, a community network must demonstrate to ARIN's</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>satisfaction that it meets the definition of a community network under section</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>2.11 of the NRPM.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>6.5.9.2. Receiving Resources</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Once qualified under this section, a community network shall be treated as an</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>end-user assignment for all ARIN purposes.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Community networks shall be eligible under this section only for IPv6</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>resources and the application process and use of those resources shall be</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>governed by the existing end-user policy contained in section 6.5.8 et. seq.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Community networks seeking other resources shall remain subject to the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>policies governing those resources independent of their election to use this</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>policy for IPv6 resources.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Marita</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>References</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> 1. <a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net">mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> 2. <a href="mailto:advisors@tc.ca">mailto:advisors@tc.ca</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-- </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>| Ian! 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