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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The organization
(which is distinct from its For-profit spin off under both
corporate and tax law) which would be involved in applying for
IPV6 segments would be the Not-for-profit entity. I hope I am
right on this -- for one thing, I think you would get them
cheaper, even without this community networking designation. NCF
has been buying IPV6 segments and has been pretty happy with the
price arrangement.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">We will never get ARIN
to agree that community networks could be For-profit entities.
These would not be operating on volunteer labour, for one thing.
And we are just trying to get them to recognize that community
networks need some paid staff to be viable.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Anyhow, I am not an
expert on all this in any way. But let's keep this discussion
going. I wonder, for example, if the KO organization is involved
in ARIN and is having a say in how policies are made that affect
them as much as everyone else.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita<br>
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<div>Marita .. The parent organization (Keewaytinook Okimakanak)
that made this decision is not-for-profit and the same board
(the chiefs of the First Nations) are the directors of their
for-profit entity. That is one of the reasons I am suggesting a
neutral definition that includes those groups that are trying to
make community networks work ..</div>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman,Times,serif">Oh, thanks
Brian. That's interesting. Are you sure these are not
"not-for-profit" corporations? Some are pretty
profitable, despite the name -- i.e. CIRA -- but profits
must go back to corporation or specific causes rather
than share holders, individuals, etc.<br>
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<div>Marita .. I would suggest “digital technology
organizations” in place of “not-for-profit
organizations” .. Mainly because some communities decide
to operate their networks as profit centres for the
benefit of the community. Thunder Bay’s TBayTel
contributes over $10M annually to the city (used to
anyway). After I left KNET, the parent organization
decided to make it a corporation to create revenue for
other community projects. Everything evolves .. Brian</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Tue, 20
Jun 2017 11:00:31 -0400<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Marita
Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> Garth
Graham <<a href="mailto:garth.graham@telus.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">garth.graham@telus.net</a>>,
TC Advisors <<a href="mailto:advisors@tc.ca"
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that the org be nonprofit and that stakeholders be
local to a defined community is reasonable.<br>
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">But
an insistence that there can't be a single paid
staffer running things, even part-time, is insane
and likely to cause plenty of false negatives.<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman,Times,serif">Thanks
a lot Garth. They are currently saying CN's
(for which they have no definition) that
would qualify for their special policy have
to be 100% volunteer driven. They know
that's unrealistic. So, besides cobbling
this and anything else that comes my way
into a "definition", I will have to find a
way to address that as well.</font></p>
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<pre>Mining our own TC web site, here’s a range of thoughts on definition. You now have far better idea of how these might be shoe-horned to fit ARIN’s needs than I would…..
<a class="m_6322462757399327298moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tc.ca/bylaw1v.2016.rtf" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://tc.ca/bylaw1v.2016.rtf</a>
[TC] Membership is open to
(a) Canadian electronic community networking organizations, including public access sites, learning networks, community networks, libraries and other organizations that support the aims and objectives of Telecommunities Canada and that it:
• operate on a not-for-profit basis;
• have their legal membership open to every citizen of their community;
• provide equitable access to all citizens in their community;
• encourage exchange, publication and access to the broadest possible range of information of interest to the community;
• endeavour to create connections with other computer based networks and to allow the free and interactive flow of information between different communities;
• and whose membership application has been approved from time to time by the board of directors
<a class="m_6322462757399327298moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tc.ca/newapproach.txt" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://tc.ca/newapproach.txt</a>
"Telecommunities Canada (TC) has never taken the conventional view of social change as technology driven. We have always assumed there is an emerging set of social and cultural changes of which the Internet is a symptom and then asked, "What new social forms are the most viable in that new environment?" TC's answer is that the form or process called "community," re-defined by being online, is the one most viable. In that view then, community networking is not defined institutionally.
Community networking is defined as the shared experiences of communities of practice related to understanding how community is achieved in the online context as a public good and an essential socio-economic goal.”
Etienne Wenger. Communities of practice: learning, meaning, and identity. Cambridge University Press, 1998. 45.
“Being alive as human beings means that we are constantly engaged in the pursuit of enterprises of all kinds, from ensuring our physical survival to seeking the most lofty pleasures. As we define these enterprises and engage in their pursuit together, we interact with each other and with the world and we tune our relationships with each other and the world accordingly. In other words, we learn.”
“Over time, this collective learning results in practices that reflect both the pursuit of our enterprises and the attendant social relationships. These practices are thus the property of a kind of community created over time by the sustained pursuit of a shared enterprise. It makes sense, therefore, to call these kinds of communities communities of practice.”
WHAT COMMUNITY NETWORKS ARE ALL ABOUT <a class="m_6322462757399327298moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tc.ca/allabout.html" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://tc.ca/allabout.html</a>
There are four major concerns that should preoccupy a community network association and thus define the local electronic public space it sustains:
COMMUNITY - because the intersection of virtual community and geographical community requires a new approach to community development
COMMONS - because a community network's primary responsibility is the defense of universal access to electronic public space as a commons
CONTENT- because the content of the electronic public space that the community network provides through computer mediated communications is not a commodity. It's behaviour. It's a dynamic process of informing through dialogue, and it's the chief means of learning netiquette (the rules of social interaction and citizenship in cyberspace)
CARRIER - because there are many possible routes in and out of a community network, but the community networking association is responsible for moderating the experience of being there.
Towards a National Strategy for Digital Inclusion <a class="m_6322462757399327298moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tc.ca/digital_inc4.pdf" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://tc.ca/digital_inc4.pdf</a>
"Internationally, “telecentres” is the word used for what Canadians have called “community access.” A telecentre is a public place where people can access computers, the internet, and other digital technologies that enable people to gather information, create, learn, and communicate with others while they develop essential 21st-century digital skills. A telecentre provides public access to a variety of online tools and resources in the context of demographically and socio-economically dynamic communities, ever changing technologies, and locally driven social and digital initiatives."
On Jun 15, 2017, at 6:31 AM, Marita Moll <a class="m_6322462757399327298moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><mmoll@ca.inter.net></a> wrote:
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<pre>Hello all. I have agreed to give an opinion to a ARIN (American Registry for Internet Numbers), from our side of the 49th, on the question: What is a community network?
The purpose is to retain this language on the ARIN policy manual. Currently it is recognized that Community Networks are not the same as private ISPs and are given special consideration with respect to the cost of purchasing blocks of Internet addresses (specifically IPV6). It would be good not to lose that, even if it is hardly used. ARIN (despite the name) serves all of North America so it does affect us.
Marita
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