<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">That’s a helpful response Evan, thank you.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Perhaps all the more reason for CIRA to become more transparent in their governance, if they are setting a positive example. <div class=""><div><br class=""></div><div>Or is my thinking misguided?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>James</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 11, 2018, at 1:00 PM, Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" class="">evan@telly.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#0b5394">On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 01:44, Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank" class="">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class=""><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" class="">James, you are talking
about the ICANN policy initiative -- Alyssa will be in Barcelona
and CIRA is very conscious of this. The way ICANN works though,
CIRA can have little impact on this. Country codes like .ca are
already set aside. Policies around the new general top level
domains are decided through discussions encompassing the entire
community. In the end, if civil society and business can't come
up with a good plan, I think government reps will step in -- but
this would be highly unpopular. Like the UN, ICANN tries to work
by consensus. It's very hard........</font></p></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">My take on it is a little different. And please forgive my bluntness.<br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">What ICANN calls "the multi-stakeholder model" (I'll abbreviate as MSM) has devolved into capture by the domain industry -- registries, registrars, resellers and owners of large portfolios of speculative domains. The inmates are running the asylum, the industry that ICANN is supposed to oversee is clearly in control. ICANN's interpretation of MSM is that there's no such thing as
conflict of interest so long as you declare it. Once declared you can
bully and buy your way into ICANN's good graces and the top of the decision tree. By contrast, other multistakeholder bodies such as ISOC International and IETF have much more egalitarian models.<br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">Governments representation in ICANN (through the GAC) has power but must operate by consensus, and the difficulty in getting unanimity has reduced its ability to effect real change (its most recent obsessions have over the entitlements to the .win and .amazon tope level domains). Civil society seems to do little but rail against law enforcement and advocate for unrestrained registrant privacy. And the At-Large Advisory Committee, of which Marita is now a member (and I was for six years), has become a Douglas Adams parody of itself; it spends so much of its time caught in procedure and fearful of losing its travel allowance that it spends nearly zero effort on proactive ICANN policy and even less on public education. Bikeshedding is rampant.</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">As a result, for instance, even though the last round of top-level domains was a total bust the industry is hell-bent on doing more rounds and there's not a thing anyone can do to stop it, and they don't even try. Any time there is real dissent, ICANN trots out the MSM and fearmongers that if it's weakened the ITU will step in and make domain names a multilateral treaty thing. (An increasing amount of the community wonders if that would really be worse.)</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"></div></div><div class=""><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">By comparison, country-code TLDs (like CIRA) are fiercely independent of ICANN and guard that autonomy as a matter of national sovereignty. The role of the country code community in ICANN is to contribute money, interface with the industry, and ensure that ICANN doesn't do anything to impede them.</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">(In fact, I have always considered it one of ICANN's dirty little secrets that the public is unaware of the distinction -- that ".co" is governed completely different from ".com" but is marketed identically.)<br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">Truth be told, as bad as anyone thinks CIRA is, for all its opacity it's quite possibly the best-run country TLD in the world. Most certainly top 3. By contrast other operators such as in the UK and Australia are in a shambles. CIRA has created decent policies that deter rampant speculation and has a sensible approach (IMO) to Canadian presence, and the delicate balance between domain owner privacy and public accountability. Its management is stable and they have avoided the missteps that so many other CCTLDs have encountered.</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">(Disclaimer: I speak on behalf of nobody but me. I am an owner of .ca, .com and .org domains, none of them for resale. I have never served on CIRA board or staff.)</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default">- Evan</div><div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="gmail_default"><br class=""></div></div></div></div>
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