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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Okay James. Well, on
        that topic I have come to the conclusion that CIRA members need
        to bring this forward -- in elections, member meetings and at
        AGMs. I don't believe that it can be fixed from inside unless
        there is substantial pressure to do so. Most board members, and
        it would have to come from the board, are elected through the
        nomcom -- and most of them have a much more formal, standard
        board experience/expectation. CIRA is managing its board in the
        same way that boards of fairly large concerns are generally
        managed in Canada.</font></p>
    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Alyssa is great -- but
        this would be outside her "wheelhouse" , as they say.</font></p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/11/2018 7:48 AM, James Van
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      Sorry, was talking about CIRA’s lack of governance transparency. 
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                    serif">James, you are talking about the ICANN policy
                    initiative -- Alyssa will be in Barcelona and CIRA
                    is very conscious of this. The way ICANN works
                    though, CIRA can have little impact on this. Country
                    codes like .ca are already set aside. Policies
                    around the new general top level domains are decided
                    through discussions encompassing the entire
                    community. In the end, if civil society and business
                    can't come up with a good plan, I think government
                    reps will step in -- but this would be highly
                    unpopular. Like the UN, ICANN tries to work by
                    consensus. It's very hard........</font></p>
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                  <div class="">This sounds like a topic to take up with
                    Alyssa Moore, CIRA’s new Senior Policy &
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                    <div class="">I think the sooner it’s on her radar,
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                    <div class="">Happy to reach out to her if everyone
                      thinks it’s a good idea.</div>
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                                Both Brian Beaton and Kerry Brown are on
                                the community investment fund evaluation
                                committee. I forgot to mention Kerry in
                                my last e-mail, but yes, that's two
                                evaluators on the team who will be
                                looking at applications from a community
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                                Roman, Times, serif">Something most
                                people here don't know (it took me by
                                surprise!) is that CIRA directors have
                                to sign a non-disclosure agreement -- so
                                no information flows out of board
                                meetings at all. Minutes are vague. It
                                is pretty much of a black box. Some
                                people have tried unsuccessfully to
                                bring some openness. But it would take a
                                major bottom up effort coming from
                                members to change that. There sure was
                                not any movement in that direction
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                                Roman, Times, serif">ICANN, on the other
                                hand, could not be more open. Absolutely
                                everything is on the public record and
                                all meetings are open. So, you will be
                                hearing from me about what is going on
                                there.  I will be attending the ICANN
                                AGM in Barcelona which starts on Oct.
                                20. Much of the discussion is quite
                                esoteric and technical but there are
                                some areas that are easy to relate to --
                                for example current  rounds of
                                discussions about geonames at the top
                                level -- whether or not some categories
                                of names should be protected in the next
                                round of new gTLDs (generic top level
                                domains -- .com, .biz, .berlin, etc.).
                                Mind you, everything takes a long time.
                                The dispute about who gets to control
                                .amazon (amazon the company or the group
                                of 8 countries through which this river
                                flows) is still not settled. <br
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                              6:23 PM, Peter Frampton wrote:<br class="">
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                              <div class="">but we have many ways to
                                keep an eye on them!</div>
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                                              face="Times New Roman,
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                                              everyone here for their
                                              support for my candidacy
                                              during the CIRA elections.
                                              It was not my turn this
                                              time -- and one always has
                                              to expect such surprises
                                              with elections.  I will
                                              continue to do whatever I
                                              can to raise the profile
                                              on communities online in
                                              whatever fora I am engaged
                                              in. For the next year, it
                                              will be through my
                                              position on the At-large
                                              council at ICANN and the
                                              steering committee for the
                                              Canadian Internet
                                              Governance Forum.</font></p>
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                                              colleagues, Brian Beaton,
                                              is currently on the CIRA
                                              community investment fund
                                              evaluation team. And I
                                              know Brian will keep
                                              reminding everyone that
                                              communities have many
                                              needs that are sometimes
                                              not apparent to those who
                                              sit around these tables. <br
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