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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Okay James. Well, on
that topic I have come to the conclusion that CIRA members need
to bring this forward -- in elections, member meetings and at
AGMs. I don't believe that it can be fixed from inside unless
there is substantial pressure to do so. Most board members, and
it would have to come from the board, are elected through the
nomcom -- and most of them have a much more formal, standard
board experience/expectation. CIRA is managing its board in the
same way that boards of fairly large concerns are generally
managed in Canada.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Alyssa is great -- but
this would be outside her "wheelhouse" , as they say.</font></p>
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Sorry, was talking about CIRA’s lack of governance transparency.
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serif">James, you are talking about the ICANN policy
initiative -- Alyssa will be in Barcelona and CIRA
is very conscious of this. The way ICANN works
though, CIRA can have little impact on this. Country
codes like .ca are already set aside. Policies
around the new general top level domains are decided
through discussions encompassing the entire
community. In the end, if civil society and business
can't come up with a good plan, I think government
reps will step in -- but this would be highly
unpopular. Like the UN, ICANN tries to work by
consensus. It's very hard........</font></p>
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Roman, Times, serif">That is true Peter.
Both Brian Beaton and Kerry Brown are on
the community investment fund evaluation
committee. I forgot to mention Kerry in
my last e-mail, but yes, that's two
evaluators on the team who will be
looking at applications from a community
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Roman, Times, serif">Something most
people here don't know (it took me by
surprise!) is that CIRA directors have
to sign a non-disclosure agreement -- so
no information flows out of board
meetings at all. Minutes are vague. It
is pretty much of a black box. Some
people have tried unsuccessfully to
bring some openness. But it would take a
major bottom up effort coming from
members to change that. There sure was
not any movement in that direction
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Roman, Times, serif">ICANN, on the other
hand, could not be more open. Absolutely
everything is on the public record and
all meetings are open. So, you will be
hearing from me about what is going on
there. I will be attending the ICANN
AGM in Barcelona which starts on Oct.
20. Much of the discussion is quite
esoteric and technical but there are
some areas that are easy to relate to --
for example current rounds of
discussions about geonames at the top
level -- whether or not some categories
of names should be protected in the next
round of new gTLDs (generic top level
domains -- .com, .biz, .berlin, etc.).
Mind you, everything takes a long time.
The dispute about who gets to control
.amazon (amazon the company or the group
of 8 countries through which this river
flows) is still not settled. <br
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Times, serif">Thanks to
everyone here for their
support for my candidacy
during the CIRA elections.
It was not my turn this
time -- and one always has
to expect such surprises
with elections. I will
continue to do whatever I
can to raise the profile
on communities online in
whatever fora I am engaged
in. For the next year, it
will be through my
position on the At-large
council at ICANN and the
steering committee for the
Canadian Internet
Governance Forum.</font></p>
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Times, serif">One of our
colleagues, Brian Beaton,
is currently on the CIRA
community investment fund
evaluation team. And I
know Brian will keep
reminding everyone that
communities have many
needs that are sometimes
not apparent to those who
sit around these tables. <br
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