[Advisors] Well, that didn't work
James Van Leeuwen
jvl at ventus.ca
Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:24:06 -0600
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Normally I would agree with you Darlene, but I have absolutely no =
confidence that this majority Conservative government will respond to =
political pressure in a constructive way.
These are not big-picture people, and if we're going to get anywhere =
with them, we need a much better understanding of how they experience =
the world.
To get a firm grasp on the nature of social, religious and political =
conservatism, I strongly encourage everyone to read The Righteous Mind =
by Jonathan Haidt:
http://righteousmind.com
JvL
On 2012-04-23, at 1:06 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
> Yes, I must dis agree with James (sorry, man!)
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> We have to get in their faces any way we can. Political pressure is =
the ONLY way we can adjust the Harper government's stance on the CAP =
program. Playing it soft will not work. Media attention and lots of =
e-mails/letters might.
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> Just my personal opinion here.
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> Darlene A. Thompson
> CAP Administrator
> N-CAP/Department of Education
> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
> Phone: (867) 975-5631
> Fax: (867) 975-5610
> dthompson@gov.nu.ca
> ________________________________________
> From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [advisors-admin@tc.ca] on behalf of Michael =
Corbett [Michael.Corbett@cannor.gc.ca]
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:30 PM
> To: James Van Leeuwen; Gareth Shearman
> Cc: TC Advisors
> Subject: Re: [Advisors] Well, that didn't work
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> Or this from Rick Salutin
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/stephen-harper-the-last-strau=
ssian/article1710880/
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>>>> On 4/20/2012 at 2:43 PM, in message =
<147157C5-7311-4216-AE89-DBFCA2E3511A@ventus.ca>, James Van Leeuwen =
<jvl@ventus.ca> wrote:
> Good sarcastic humour, but probably counterproductive.
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> Nobody likes to be ridiculed, and some get vindictive.
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> For the federal Conservatives, you're either with them or against =
them.
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> Stand with us, or stand with the pedophiles - they really do see the =
world in black and white.
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> Here is some highly recommended scholarly and 100% non-partisan =
reading on the topic:
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> http://righteousmind.com
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> JvL
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> On 2012-04-20, at 1:50 PM, Gareth Shearman wrote:
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> So we'll do it this way:
> An imagined interview: Bob Newhart asks Stephen Harper about the 2012 =
budget
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> By Elizabeth May on 12 April 2012 - 8:56am
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> BN<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Newhart>: Mr. Prime Minister, I am =
so pleased you agreed to take my call
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> BN: Thank you for that, but I am not actually from Vermont=85. It was =
a television show.
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> BN: Great, well I wanted to start by asking you about the decisions in =
your budget. It is a pretty anti-environmental budget. There is a lot in =
there for supertankers and pipelines and expanding fossil fuels, but =
nothing to address the threat of climate change.
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> BN: No, sir. No one has ever thought I was radical before=85.. I =
hardly ever take jets=85 not sure about foreign-funding. Does that =
include being an American? Is that foreign? OK=85.just calm down, I will =
move on.
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> BN: To change the topic, I am wondering why the budget says the =
government is committed to connecting Canadians by internet and then =
there is no more money for internet=85.
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> BN: Yes, well I see you put some money into internet and high speed =
access in the past=85.
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> BN: No, I wasn=92t trying to talk about on-line warrant-less access. I =
am not sure what that is=85
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> BN: I certainly do not stand with child pornographers. I don=92t sit =
with them either. =85 No I wasn=92t trying to make light of child =
pornographers or=85 no, not internet predators either=85.
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> BN: Thanks for clearing that up, but what I wanted to know was how =
Canadians will access the internet in communities that have relied on =
Community Access (it was called the CAP programme), and now it is gone=85.=
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> BN: So they just don=92t need the internet in remote communities?=85=85 =
Yes, I agree we are doing well by phone.
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> BN: I also notice you have eliminated the National Round Table on =
Environment and Economy. Wasn=92t that established by a previous =
Conservative government? =85.. Right, not one that you liked. A bit too =
left-wing? I see=85.. I have read that your Environment Minister thinks =
you don=92t need the environment and economy round table any more =
because it was established a long time ago, in a time when Canadians did =
not have the internet. =85. Yes, and he says that now you have the =
internet, so you don=92t need this advisory body=85.. No, I am not =
trying to trick you. I just wondered about cutting the internet when the =
internet is replacing the round table=85..
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> BN: Sure, not everyone needs the internet. The important thing is that =
you have it when you need it. Yes, of course, and other peoples=92 =
internet too=85.. So, for food safety, the budget is moving information =
off the labels and on to the internet, so the people in remote =
communities do not need to read that food information? =85. No, I am not =
a foreign funded radical. =85. Yes, sir, I respect the office of Prime =
Minister of Canada. I am sure it is a very nice office=85..
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> BN: I apologise, absolutely, it=92s just that I find a certain amount =
of humour in this=85..
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> - click -
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">Normally I would agree with you Darlene, but I have absolutely no =
confidence that this majority Conservative government will respond to =
political pressure in a constructive =
way.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>These are not big-picture people, =
and if we're going to get anywhere with them, we need a much better =
understanding of how they experience the =
world.</div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div><div>To get a firm =
grasp on the nature of social, religious and political conservatism, I =
strongly encourage everyone to read <b><i>The Righteous Mind </i></b>by =
Jonathan Haidt:</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://righteousmind.com">http://righteousmind.com</a></div><div><=
br></div><div><br></div><div>JvL</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><=
div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><br></div><div><br><d=
iv><div>On 2012-04-23, at 1:06 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Yes, =
I must dis agree with James (sorry, man!)<br><br>We have to get in their =
faces any way we can. Political pressure is the ONLY way we can =
adjust the Harper government's stance on the CAP program. Playing =
it soft will not work. Media attention and lots of e-mails/letters =
might.<br><br>Just my personal opinion here.<br><br>D<br><br>Darlene A. =
Thompson<br>CAP Administrator<br>N-CAP/Department of Education<br>P.O. =
Box 1000, Station 910<br>Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0<br>Phone: (867) =
975-5631<br>Fax: (867) 975-5610<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca">dthompson@gov.nu.ca</a><br>___________=
_____________________________<br>From: advisors-admin@tc.ca =
[advisors-admin@tc.ca] on behalf of Michael Corbett =
[Michael.Corbett@cannor.gc.ca]<br>Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:30 =
PM<br>To: James Van Leeuwen; Gareth Shearman<br>Cc: TC =
Advisors<br>Subject: Re: [Advisors] Well, that didn't work<br><br>Or =
this from Rick =
Salutin<br><br>http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/stephen-harper=
-the-last-straussian/article1710880/<br><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On =
4/20/2012 at 2:43 PM, in message =
<147157C5-7311-4216-AE89-DBFCA2E3511A@ventus.ca>, James Van =
Leeuwen <jvl@ventus.ca> =
wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>Good sarcastic humour, =
but probably counterproductive.<br><br>Nobody likes to be ridiculed, and =
some get vindictive.<br><br><br>For the federal Conservatives, you're =
either with them or against them.<br><br>Stand with us, or stand with =
the pedophiles - they really do see the world in black and =
white.<br><br><br>Here is some highly recommended scholarly and 100% =
non-partisan reading on the =
topic:<br><br>http://righteousmind.com<br><br><br>JvL<br><br><br><br><br><=
br>On 2012-04-20, at 1:50 PM, Gareth Shearman wrote:<br><br>So we'll do =
it this way:<br>An imagined interview: Bob Newhart asks Stephen Harper =
about the 2012 budget<br><br><br><br>By Elizabeth May on 12 April 2012 - =
8:56am<br><br>BN<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Newhart>: Mr. =
Prime Minister, I am so pleased you agreed to take my call<br><br>BN: =
Thank you for that, but I am not actually from Vermont=85. It was a =
television show.<br><br>BN: Great, well I wanted to start by asking you =
about the decisions in your budget. It is a pretty anti-environmental =
budget. There is a lot in there for supertankers and pipelines and =
expanding fossil fuels, but nothing to address the threat of climate =
change.<br><br>BN: No, sir. No one has ever thought I was radical =
before=85.. I hardly ever take jets=85 not sure about foreign-funding. =
Does that include being an American? Is that foreign? OK=85.just calm =
down, I will move on.<br><br>BN: To change the topic, I am wondering why =
the budget says the government is committed to connecting Canadians by =
internet and then there is no more money for internet=85.<br><br>BN: =
Yes, well I see you put some money into internet and high speed access =
in the past=85.<br><br>BN: No, I wasn=92t trying to talk about on-line =
warrant-less access. I am not sure what that is=85<br><br>BN: I =
certainly do not stand with child pornographers. I don=92t sit with them =
either. =85 No I wasn=92t trying to make light of child pornographers =
or=85 no, not internet predators either=85.<br><br>BN: Thanks for =
clearing that up, but what I wanted to know was how Canadians will =
access the internet in communities that have relied on Community Access =
(it was called the CAP programme), and now it is gone=85.<br><br>BN: So =
they just don=92t need the internet in remote communities?=85=85 Yes, I =
agree we are doing well by phone.<br><br>BN: I also notice you have =
eliminated the National Round Table on Environment and Economy. Wasn=92t =
that established by a previous Conservative government? =85.. Right, not =
one that you liked. A bit too left-wing? I see=85.. I have read that =
your Environment Minister thinks you don=92t need the environment and =
economy round table any more because it was established a long time ago, =
in a time when Canadians did not have the internet. =85. Yes, and he =
says that now you have the internet, so you don=92t need this advisory =
body=85.. No, I am not trying to trick you. I just wondered about =
cutting the internet when the internet is replacing the round =
table=85..<br><br>BN: Sure, not everyone needs the internet. The =
important thing is that you have it when you need it. Yes, of course, =
and other peoples=92 internet too=85.. So, for food safety, the budget =
is moving information off the labels and on to the internet, so the =
people in remote communities do not need to read that food information? =
=85. No, I am not a foreign funded radical. =85. Yes, sir, I respect the =
office of Prime Minister of Canada. I am sure it is a very nice =
office=85..<br><br>BN: I apologise, absolutely, it=92s just that I find =
a certain amount of humour in this=85..<br><br>- click -<br><br> * =
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-entrevue-qui-aurait-pu-tre-bob-newhart-questionne-stephen-harper-sur-le-b=
udget-><br><br><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div><=
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