[Advisors] CIRA elections -- member slate

[James Van Leeuwen]

I agree with Marita... the opportunity is to shape Kevin's position, not =
endorse or condemn it.

Give him what he's asking for (ammunition) and send him into battle.


This means concisely articulating TC's interests and objectives, and how =
CIRA could help to advance them.

Pitching net neutrality in an economic development context offers the =
best leverage against opposing forces.

CIRA can contribute to the problem (persisting disparities and growing =
opportunity costs) or the solution (community broadband).

JvL





On 2012-08-17, at 1:15 AM, "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com> =
wrote:

> While I agree that many of the younger folks in this space don't have =
a
> community networking experience I think that there is also a breed of
> younger advocates who aren't completely immersed in seeing the net as
> exclusively a biz opportunity.  While there may be a (limited) overlap =
in
> interests between open source/civil liberty etc. folks and folks =
concerned
> with digital inclusion for example I think it would be a good idea to =
test
> out Kevin's position on the latter issues since for example one of the
> strongest recent advocates for "net neutrality" in the US is Ron Paul =
and
> his libertarian supporters.
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> I think the litmus test should be however, what sort of a role he sees =
for
> CIRA.  At the moment CIRA (like ICANN and a lot of such Internet tax
> harvesters) have more money than they know what to do with.  In the =
case of
> CIRA the mandate has been understood extremely narrowly as being to =
promote
> first the technical well being and more recently the commercial =
well-being
> of the Net.  This is by no means the norm and other national =
governance
> bodies--I mentioned NZ, UK, and BR are acting in a rather more =
pro-active
> way in supporting social well being in a digital environment. =
(Bringing this
> to broader attention is the underlying purpose of the IGF Workshop I =
pointed
> to earlier.)
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> I think at a minimum we should expect Kevin to indicate what position =
he
> would advocate with respect to this issue.
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> Best,
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> MG
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of =
Marita
> Moll
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:14 PM
> To: Garth Graham
> Cc: TC Advisors
> Subject: Re: [Advisors] CIRA elections -- member slate
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> Keep in mind that we are talking about a young new breed of Internet
> advocate who hasn't been around the pillar and post of community =
networking
> policy for all these many years.  I think this is an opportunity to =
educate
> and build new alliances.  God knows we don't have a lot to lean on.
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> And thanks for the quote from CIF. I think I used it last year and=20
> forgot.   I will suggest he turn this back on them.  CIF itself has=20
> provided the rationale.  But how does this pan out in the actual day =
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> day work of CIRA and the CIRA board.   That is the question I am =
trying=20
> to find some way of addressing
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> Marita
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> On 8/16/2012 12:31 PM, Garth Graham wrote:
>> On 2012-08-15, at 8:58 AM, Marita Moll wrote:
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>>> Tell me what you think about supporting him.  Perhaps there are some
> things we would like to see added to this platform in return.
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>>>> Original Message --------
>>>> Subject:	Re: Thanks for sending some support
>>>> Date:	Wed, 15 Aug 2012 11:36:03 -0700
>>>> From:	Kevin McArthur<kevin@stormtide.ca>
>>>> To:	Marita Moll<mmoll@ca.inter.net>
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>>>> Yep, I'd be happy to. How did you see CIRA engaging on this? .. Can =
you
> help me understand what steps you were hoping to see CIRA take towards
> community driven broadband? When I talk about it as part of my =
campaign, I'd
> like to be really clear on some concrete steps CIRA can take towards
> facilitating and supporting this type of development.
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>> Because of the dominance of a "market-based approach" to "telecom" =
policy
> in Canada, the relationship of the Internet's future to questions of =
social
> development policy has been eliminated from public policy discussion =
in
> Canada.  Lots of people are fully aware that they risk seriously =
pissing
> people off by making that point.  McArthur's "hard" question raises a =
red
> flag for me.  As a "public interest" candidate can/should he answer it
> himself and is he just fishing to see what we say?  Or is he making =
the
> point that our interests aren't sufficiently "registration" oriented =
to get
> us elected in that constituency?
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>> By saying as follows, CIRA itself seems to be a bit more open to =
"our"
> issues and concerns than he is:
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>>> The CIF process also revealed an emerging consensus that there is a=20=

>>> need for a public forum where all stakeholders can help explore and=20=

>>> articulate the public interest in the future development and use of=20=

>>> the Internet in Canada - by considering its impacts; discussing the=20=

>>> opportunities and challenges they present; identifying issues=20
>>> requiring action by stakeholders in government, the private sector,=20=

>>> and civil society, and raising awareness of these issues among=20
>>> decision-makers and the general public in Canada and=20
>>> internationally."=20
>>> =
http://cira.ca/assets/Documents/Publications/wp-InternetCIF-CanadaFut
>>> ure.pdf
>>>=20
>> I'd be more convinced if he answered along the lines of Mike's
> "mechanisms" workshop at IGF.
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>> Your question re Heather is important, because she's been able to =
foster
> discussions of the Internet's future in Canada more effectively than =
we
> have.  CIRA's forum initiative is important.  Without getting to the =
table
> at CIRA, TC lacks an important element that is implicit in our
> ICANN/ALAC/NARALO responsibilities to the Canadian constituency we =
claim we
> represent.
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>> GG
>>=20
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