[Advisors] CIRA elections -- member slate

[James Van Leeuwen]

Neglected to add that the most concrete steps CIRA could take would be =
to adopt advocacy positions in favour of net neutrality and community =
broadband, given their importance to realizing the full economic and =
social utility of .ca domains.=20

An address facilitates economic and social engagement.

Net neutrality and community broadband do the same.

JvL




On 2012-08-17, at 1:47 AM, James Van Leeuwen <jvl@ventus.ca> wrote:

> I agree with Marita... the opportunity is to shape Kevin's position, =
not endorse or condemn it.
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> Give him what he's asking for (ammunition) and send him into battle.
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> This means concisely articulating TC's interests and objectives, and =
how CIRA could help to advance them.
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> Pitching net neutrality in an economic development context offers the =
best leverage against opposing forces.
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> CIRA can contribute to the problem (persisting disparities and growing =
opportunity costs) or the solution (community broadband).
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> JvL
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> On 2012-08-17, at 1:15 AM, "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com> =
wrote:
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>> While I agree that many of the younger folks in this space don't have =
a
>> community networking experience I think that there is also a breed of
>> younger advocates who aren't completely immersed in seeing the net as
>> exclusively a biz opportunity.  While there may be a (limited) =
overlap in
>> interests between open source/civil liberty etc. folks and folks =
concerned
>> with digital inclusion for example I think it would be a good idea to =
test
>> out Kevin's position on the latter issues since for example one of =
the
>> strongest recent advocates for "net neutrality" in the US is Ron Paul =
and
>> his libertarian supporters.
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>> I think the litmus test should be however, what sort of a role he =
sees for
>> CIRA.  At the moment CIRA (like ICANN and a lot of such Internet tax
>> harvesters) have more money than they know what to do with.  In the =
case of
>> CIRA the mandate has been understood extremely narrowly as being to =
promote
>> first the technical well being and more recently the commercial =
well-being
>> of the Net.  This is by no means the norm and other national =
governance
>> bodies--I mentioned NZ, UK, and BR are acting in a rather more =
pro-active
>> way in supporting social well being in a digital environment. =
(Bringing this
>> to broader attention is the underlying purpose of the IGF Workshop I =
pointed
>> to earlier.)
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>> I think at a minimum we should expect Kevin to indicate what position =
he
>> would advocate with respect to this issue.
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>> Best,
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>> MG
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of =
Marita
>> Moll
>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:14 PM
>> To: Garth Graham
>> Cc: TC Advisors
>> Subject: Re: [Advisors] CIRA elections -- member slate
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>> Keep in mind that we are talking about a young new breed of Internet
>> advocate who hasn't been around the pillar and post of community =
networking
>> policy for all these many years.  I think this is an opportunity to =
educate
>> and build new alliances.  God knows we don't have a lot to lean on.
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>> And thanks for the quote from CIF. I think I used it last year and=20
>> forgot.   I will suggest he turn this back on them.  CIF itself has=20=

>> provided the rationale.  But how does this pan out in the actual day =
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>> day work of CIRA and the CIRA board.   That is the question I am =
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>> to find some way of addressing
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>> Marita
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>> On 8/16/2012 12:31 PM, Garth Graham wrote:
>>> On 2012-08-15, at 8:58 AM, Marita Moll wrote:
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>>>> Tell me what you think about supporting him.  Perhaps there are =
some
>> things we would like to see added to this platform in return.
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>>>>> Original Message --------
>>>>> Subject:	Re: Thanks for sending some support
>>>>> Date:	Wed, 15 Aug 2012 11:36:03 -0700
>>>>> From:	Kevin McArthur<kevin@stormtide.ca>
>>>>> To:	Marita Moll<mmoll@ca.inter.net>
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>>>>> Yep, I'd be happy to. How did you see CIRA engaging on this? .. =
Can you
>> help me understand what steps you were hoping to see CIRA take =
towards
>> community driven broadband? When I talk about it as part of my =
campaign, I'd
>> like to be really clear on some concrete steps CIRA can take towards
>> facilitating and supporting this type of development.
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>>> Because of the dominance of a "market-based approach" to "telecom" =
policy
>> in Canada, the relationship of the Internet's future to questions of =
social
>> development policy has been eliminated from public policy discussion =
in
>> Canada.  Lots of people are fully aware that they risk seriously =
pissing
>> people off by making that point.  McArthur's "hard" question raises a =
red
>> flag for me.  As a "public interest" candidate can/should he answer =
it
>> himself and is he just fishing to see what we say?  Or is he making =
the
>> point that our interests aren't sufficiently "registration" oriented =
to get
>> us elected in that constituency?
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>>> By saying as follows, CIRA itself seems to be a bit more open to =
"our"
>> issues and concerns than he is:
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>>>> The CIF process also revealed an emerging consensus that there is a=20=

>>>> need for a public forum where all stakeholders can help explore and=20=

>>>> articulate the public interest in the future development and use of=20=

>>>> the Internet in Canada - by considering its impacts; discussing the=20=

>>>> opportunities and challenges they present; identifying issues=20
>>>> requiring action by stakeholders in government, the private sector,=20=

>>>> and civil society, and raising awareness of these issues among=20
>>>> decision-makers and the general public in Canada and=20
>>>> internationally."=20
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http://cira.ca/assets/Documents/Publications/wp-InternetCIF-CanadaFut
>>>> ure.pdf
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>>> I'd be more convinced if he answered along the lines of Mike's
>> "mechanisms" workshop at IGF.
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>>> Your question re Heather is important, because she's been able to =
foster
>> discussions of the Internet's future in Canada more effectively than =
we
>> have.  CIRA's forum initiative is important.  Without getting to the =
table
>> at CIRA, TC lacks an important element that is implicit in our
>> ICANN/ALAC/NARALO responsibilities to the Canadian constituency we =
claim we
>> represent.
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>>> GG
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