[Advisors] Response from Kevin on our suggestions & my reply
Marita Moll
mmoll at ca.inter.net
Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:46:36 -0400
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Subject: Re: platform suggestions
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:40:38 -0400
From: Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net>
To: Kevin McArthur <kevin@stormtide.ca>
Super comments -- I will forward to our list. Yes, the first point is a
support of Michael's suggestions on this. One of purposes of elections
is to get policy out there and I hope that several candidates bring this
one forward.
I don't think we have a disagreement re: direct funding for for-profit
organizations -- as far as I know, people working from a community base
are almost always non-profit. Let's see what the others say. Maybe I'm
missing something here.
On 8/25/2012 11:57 AM, Kevin McArthur wrote:
> Marita,
>
> This all sounds really good, and I can get behind it.
>
>> * Participants in the Canadian Internet Forum expressed that need
>> to explore and articulate the public interest in the future
>> development and use of the Internet in Canada. In order to do
>> this, CIRA must move beyond its traditional role of supporting
>> the technical and commercial well-being of the Internet in
>> Canada. It will require a reconsideration of its institutional
>> design and processes. This should begin with /a full and open
>> examination of how such a public resource is managed in other
>> jurisdictions. /
>>
>
> Is this a reference to how the New Zealand registry is run in a split
> design? This features strongly in Michael's platform and I'm
> definitely in support of this structure. I've also already featured
> prominently in my campaign that I'd like to see CIRA expand the
> Canadian Internet Forum into something more than a conference, adopt a
> meaningful working group on digital policy (of which the question 'how
> do we get broadband to rural Canadians' should feature prominently),
> adopt a more regulatory role, and advance a transparency culture so
> that folks can understand what the discussions and contentions are
> within the cira board. You can also read some of my recommendations on
> governance reforms (which didnt go as far as to split the
> organization) here:
> http://www.unrest.ca/comments-on-cira-governance-update .
>
> Specifically on this point take from that:
>
> /"CIRA's role as an advocacy organization to support the deployment of
> next generation Internet technologies, digital literacy and
> participation in worldwide Internet governance are funded entirely off
> the excess registration fees collected and I believe are critically
> attached to CIRA's role as the dot-ca operator."
> /
>>
>> * Since it currently manages a substantial public resource, CIRA
>> should use more of these resources to pro-actively support
>> communities attempting to optimize the economic and social
>> utility of networks. For example, CIRA could /champion
>> community owned broadband initiatives/ as a way to engage with
>> communities who are actively seeking to control their
>> communications resources. There are a number of communities
>> that have already taken on this role and others that are
>> seeking to do so. CIRA should /provide a forum for discussion
>> of such activities and assistance in helping them implement
>> their goals./
>>
>
> Definitely agree with this. CIRA's leaderships in IXP points are a
> good template for how this can work. I'd also suggest that they could
> engage as a stakeholder with government when investment-rights
> legislation is being considered as those rights often conflict with
> community-driven efforts. I have also, in the past and as part of my
> Net Neutrality advocacy, suggested that the government needs to
> delaminate the big ISPs and enforce open-access requirements --
> however, I don't feel this is an area where CIRA can be much more than
> a voice-of-support. The forum you suggest could definitely be part of
> an expanded Canadian Internet Forum process. The only part we might
> have a difference of opinion on is that I don't believe that CIRA
> should engage in the direct-funding of for-profit organizations
> (especially the big isps)... what tends to happen when organizations
> like CIRA start engaging in direct funding is that the big ISPs end up
> taking a lot of money and offering very little in return (see the CRTC
> efforts for rural broadband that saw cell phone networks recognized as
> 'broadband'). So in-short, I'm interested in the CIP program's
> participation in community broadband and lots of other stuff but only
> on a peer-basis with other not-for-profit organizations.
>
>> * CIRA should also earmark more of the surplus from domain name
>> registration fees, etc. to /support community based digital
>> literacy programs/. Given that many community access sites have
>> been abandoned by the recent cancellation of the federal
>> Community Access Program and are struggling to survive, CIRA
>> could /investigate ways to reestablish support for this
>> inexpensive but hugely effective community program /
>>
>
> Definitely in support here and its exactly how the CIP should be
> picking up the slack.
>
> ....
>
> I'm going to recommend that as the campaign forum opens that you take
> these suggestions to the forum (let me know when they'll be posted),
> so that I can publicly support them in the campaign. I'll take a
> review of my public platform too and see what I can work into a bullet
> or two.
>
> Thanks for this!
>
> --
>
> Kevin
>
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Super comments -- I will forward to our list. Yes, the first point is
a support of Michael's suggestions on this. One of purposes of
elections is to get policy out there and I hope that several candidates
bring this one forward.<br>
<br>
I don't think we have a disagreement re: direct funding for for-profit
organizations -- as far as I know, people working from a community base
are almost always non-profit. Let's see what the others say. Maybe
I'm missing something here. <br>
<br>
On 8/25/2012 11:57 AM, Kevin McArthur wrote:
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Marita,<br>
<br>
This all sounds really good, and I can get behind it. <br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<ul>
<li><font face="Times New Roman, serif">Participants in the
Canadian Internet Forum expressed that need to explore and articulate
the public interest in the future development and use of the Internet
in Canada. In order to do this, CIRA must move beyond its traditional
role of supporting the technical and commercial well-being of the
Internet in Canada. It will require a reconsideration of its
institutional design and processes. This should begin with <i>a full
and open examination of how such a public resource is managed in other
jurisdictions. </i></font></li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<br>
Is this a reference to how the New Zealand registry is run in a split
design? This features strongly in Michael's platform and I'm definitely
in support of this structure. I've also already featured prominently in
my campaign that I'd like to see CIRA expand the Canadian Internet
Forum into something more than a conference, adopt a meaningful working
group on digital policy (of which the question 'how do we get broadband
to rural Canadians' should feature prominently), adopt a more
regulatory role, and advance a transparency culture so that folks can
understand what the discussions and contentions are within the cira
board. You can also read some of my recommendations on governance
reforms (which didnt go as far as to split the organization) here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.unrest.ca/comments-on-cira-governance-update">http://www.unrest.ca/comments-on-cira-governance-update</a>
. <br>
<br>
Specifically on this point take from that:<br>
<br>
<i>"CIRA's role as an advocacy organization to support the deployment
of next generation Internet technologies, digital literacy and
participation in worldwide Internet governance are funded entirely off
the excess registration fees collected and I believe are critically
attached to CIRA's role as the dot-ca operator."<br>
</i><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<ul>
<li><font face="Times New Roman, serif">Since it currently
manages a substantial public resource, CIRA should use more of these
resources to pro-actively support communities attempting to optimize
the economic and social utility of networks. For example, CIRA could <i>champion
community
owned broadband initiatives</i> as a way to engage with
communities who are actively seeking to control their communications
resources. There are a number of communities that have already taken on
this role and others that are seeking to do so. CIRA should <i>provide
a forum for discussion of such activities and assistance in helping
them implement their goals.</i></font></li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<br>
Definitely agree with this. CIRA's leaderships in IXP points are a good
template for how this can work. I'd also suggest that they could engage
as a stakeholder with government when investment-rights legislation is
being considered as those rights often conflict with community-driven
efforts. I have also, in the past and as part of my Net Neutrality
advocacy, suggested that the government needs to delaminate the big
ISPs and enforce open-access requirements -- however, I don't feel this
is an area where CIRA can be much more than a voice-of-support. The
forum you suggest could definitely be part of an expanded Canadian
Internet Forum process. The only part we might have a difference of
opinion on is that I don't believe that CIRA should engage in the
direct-funding of for-profit organizations (especially the big isps)...
what tends to happen when organizations like CIRA start engaging in
direct funding is that the big ISPs end up taking a lot of money and
offering very little in return (see the CRTC efforts for rural
broadband that saw cell phone networks recognized as 'broadband'). So
in-short, I'm interested in the CIP program's participation in
community broadband and lots of other stuff but only on a peer-basis
with other not-for-profit organizations.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<ul>
<li><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><font size="3">CIRA
should also earmark more of the surplus from domain name registration
fees, etc. to <i>support community based digital literacy programs</i>.<span
style="font-style: normal;"> Given that many community access sites
have been abandoned by the recent cancellation of the federal Community
Access Program and are struggling to survive, CIRA could </span><i>investigate
ways
to reestablish support for this inexpensive but hugely effective
community program </i></font></font></li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<br>
Definitely in support here and its exactly how the CIP should be
picking up the slack. <br>
<br>
....<br>
<br>
I'm going to recommend that as the campaign forum opens that you take
these suggestions to the forum (let me know when they'll be posted), so
that I can publicly support them in the campaign. I'll take a review of
my public platform too and see what I can work into a bullet or two.<br>
<br>
Thanks for this!<br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
Kevin<br>
<br>
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