[Advisors] Response from Kevin on our suggestions & my reply
Peter Frampton
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TC weaving it's magic once again!!! =20
Paf (please excuse the thumbs)
On 2012-08-25, at 1:46 PM, Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>=20
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: platform suggestions
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:40:38 -0400
> From: Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net>
> To: Kevin McArthur <kevin@stormtide.ca>
>=20
> Super comments -- I will forward to our list. Yes, the first point is a s=
upport of Michael's suggestions on this. One of purposes of elections is to=
get policy out there and I hope that several candidates bring this one forw=
ard.
>=20
> I don't think we have a disagreement re: direct funding for for-profit org=
anizations -- as far as I know, people working from a community base are alm=
ost always non-profit. Let's see what the others say. Maybe I'm missing so=
mething here. =20
>=20
> On 8/25/2012 11:57 AM, Kevin McArthur wrote:
>>=20
>> Marita,
>>=20
>> This all sounds really good, and I can get behind it.=20
>>=20
>>> Participants in the Canadian Internet Forum expressed that need to explo=
re and articulate the public interest in the future development and use of t=
he Internet in Canada. In order to do this, CIRA must move beyond its tradit=
ional role of supporting the technical and commercial well-being of the Inte=
rnet in Canada. It will require a reconsideration of its institutional desig=
n and processes. This should begin with a full and open examination of how s=
uch a public resource is managed in other jurisdictions.
>>=20
>> Is this a reference to how the New Zealand registry is run in a split des=
ign? This features strongly in Michael's platform and I'm definitely in supp=
ort of this structure. I've also already featured prominently in my campaign=
that I'd like to see CIRA expand the Canadian Internet Forum into something=
more than a conference, adopt a meaningful working group on digital policy (=
of which the question 'how do we get broadband to rural Canadians' should fe=
ature prominently), adopt a more regulatory role, and advance a transparency=
culture so that folks can understand what the discussions and contentions a=
re within the cira board. You can also read some of my recommendations on go=
vernance reforms (which didnt go as far as to split the organization) here: h=
ttp://www.unrest.ca/comments-on-cira-governance-update .=20
>>=20
>> Specifically on this point take from that:
>>=20
>> "CIRA's role as an advocacy organization to support the deployment of nex=
t generation Internet technologies, digital literacy and participation in wo=
rldwide Internet governance are funded entirely off the excess registration f=
ees collected and I believe are critically attached to CIRA's role as the do=
t-ca operator."
>>=20
>>> Since it currently manages a substantial public resource, CIRA should us=
e more of these resources to pro-actively support communities attempting to o=
ptimize the economic and social utility of networks. For example, CIRA could=
champion community owned broadband initiatives as a way to engage with comm=
unities who are actively seeking to control their communications resources. T=
here are a number of communities that have already taken on this role and ot=
hers that are seeking to do so. CIRA should provide a forum for discussion o=
f such activities and assistance in helping them implement their goals.
>>=20
>> Definitely agree with this. CIRA's leaderships in IXP points are a good t=
emplate for how this can work. I'd also suggest that they could engage as a s=
takeholder with government when investment-rights legislation is being consi=
dered as those rights often conflict with community-driven efforts. I have a=
lso, in the past and as part of my Net Neutrality advocacy, suggested that t=
he government needs to delaminate the big ISPs and enforce open-access requi=
rements -- however, I don't feel this is an area where CIRA can be much more=
than a voice-of-support. The forum you suggest could definitely be part of a=
n expanded Canadian Internet Forum process. The only part we might have a di=
fference of opinion on is that I don't believe that CIRA should engage in th=
e direct-funding of for-profit organizations (especially the big isps)... wh=
at tends to happen when organizations like CIRA start engaging in direct fun=
ding is that the big ISPs end up taking a lot of money and offering very lit=
tle in return (see the CRTC efforts for rural broadband that saw cell phone n=
etworks recognized as 'broadband'). So in-short, I'm interested in the CIP p=
rogram's participation in community broadband and lots of other stuff but on=
ly on a peer-basis with other not-for-profit organizations.
>>=20
>>> CIRA should also earmark more of the surplus from domain name registrati=
on fees, etc. to support community based digital literacy programs. Given th=
at many community access sites have been abandoned by the recent cancellatio=
n of the federal Community Access Program and are struggling to survive, CIR=
A could investigate ways to reestablish support for this inexpensive but hug=
ely effective community program
>>=20
>> Definitely in support here and its exactly how the CIP should be picking u=
p the slack.=20
>>=20
>> ....
>>=20
>> I'm going to recommend that as the campaign forum opens that you take the=
se suggestions to the forum (let me know when they'll be posted), so that I c=
an publicly support them in the campaign. I'll take a review of my public pl=
atform too and see what I can work into a bullet or two.
>>=20
>> Thanks for this!
>>=20
>> --
>>=20
>> Kevin
>>=20
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>TC weaving it's magic once again!!! <br><br>Paf (please excuse the thumbs)</div><div><br>On 2012-08-25, at 1:46 PM, Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<td>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:40:38 -0400</td>
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Super comments -- I will forward to our list. Yes, the first point is
a support of Michael's suggestions on this. One of purposes of
elections is to get policy out there and I hope that several candidates
bring this one forward.<br>
<br>
I don't think we have a disagreement re: direct funding for for-profit
organizations -- as far as I know, people working from a community base
are almost always non-profit. Let's see what the others say. Maybe
I'm missing something here. <br>
<br>
On 8/25/2012 11:57 AM, Kevin McArthur wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:5038F5D9.5020803@stormtide.ca" type="cite">
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Marita,<br>
<br>
This all sounds really good, and I can get behind it. <br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<ul>
<li><font face="Times New Roman, serif">Participants in the
Canadian Internet Forum expressed that need to explore and articulate
the public interest in the future development and use of the Internet
in Canada. In order to do this, CIRA must move beyond its traditional
role of supporting the technical and commercial well-being of the
Internet in Canada. It will require a reconsideration of its
institutional design and processes. This should begin with <i>a full
and open examination of how such a public resource is managed in other
jurisdictions. </i></font></li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<br>
Is this a reference to how the New Zealand registry is run in a split
design? This features strongly in Michael's platform and I'm definitely
in support of this structure. I've also already featured prominently in
my campaign that I'd like to see CIRA expand the Canadian Internet
Forum into something more than a conference, adopt a meaningful working
group on digital policy (of which the question 'how do we get broadband
to rural Canadians' should feature prominently), adopt a more
regulatory role, and advance a transparency culture so that folks can
understand what the discussions and contentions are within the cira
board. You can also read some of my recommendations on governance
reforms (which didnt go as far as to split the organization) here: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.unrest.ca/comments-on-cira-governance-update">http://www.unrest.ca/comments-on-cira-governance-update</a>
. <br>
<br>
Specifically on this point take from that:<br>
<br>
<i>"CIRA's role as an advocacy organization to support the deployment
of next generation Internet technologies, digital literacy and
participation in worldwide Internet governance are funded entirely off
the excess registration fees collected and I believe are critically
attached to CIRA's role as the dot-ca operator."<br>
</i><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<ul>
<li><font face="Times New Roman, serif">Since it currently
manages a substantial public resource, CIRA should use more of these
resources to pro-actively support communities attempting to optimize
the economic and social utility of networks. For example, CIRA could <i>champion
community
owned broadband initiatives</i> as a way to engage with
communities who are actively seeking to control their communications
resources. There are a number of communities that have already taken on
this role and others that are seeking to do so. CIRA should <i>provide
a forum for discussion of such activities and assistance in helping
them implement their goals.</i></font></li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<br>
Definitely agree with this. CIRA's leaderships in IXP points are a good
template for how this can work. I'd also suggest that they could engage
as a stakeholder with government when investment-rights legislation is
being considered as those rights often conflict with community-driven
efforts. I have also, in the past and as part of my Net Neutrality
advocacy, suggested that the government needs to delaminate the big
ISPs and enforce open-access requirements -- however, I don't feel this
is an area where CIRA can be much more than a voice-of-support. The
forum you suggest could definitely be part of an expanded Canadian
Internet Forum process. The only part we might have a difference of
opinion on is that I don't believe that CIRA should engage in the
direct-funding of for-profit organizations (especially the big isps)...
what tends to happen when organizations like CIRA start engaging in
direct funding is that the big ISPs end up taking a lot of money and
offering very little in return (see the CRTC efforts for rural
broadband that saw cell phone networks recognized as 'broadband'). So
in-short, I'm interested in the CIP program's participation in
community broadband and lots of other stuff but only on a peer-basis
with other not-for-profit organizations.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<ul>
<li><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><font size="3">CIRA
should also earmark more of the surplus from domain name registration
fees, etc. to <i>support community based digital literacy programs</i>.<span style="font-style: normal;"> Given that many community access sites
have been abandoned by the recent cancellation of the federal Community
Access Program and are struggling to survive, CIRA could </span><i>investigate
ways
to reestablish support for this inexpensive but hugely effective
community program </i></font></font></li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<br>
Definitely in support here and its exactly how the CIP should be
picking up the slack. <br>
<br>
....<br>
<br>
I'm going to recommend that as the campaign forum opens that you take
these suggestions to the forum (let me know when they'll be posted), so
that I can publicly support them in the campaign. I'll take a review of
my public platform too and see what I can work into a bullet or two.<br>
<br>
Thanks for this!<br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
Kevin<br>
<br>
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