Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society
activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
garykenward@eastlink.ca
garykenward at eastlink.ca
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So am I.
I would also like to see a position from the Canadian Internet tech communit=
ies. Hopefully, a constructive, inclusive actionable position.
There is much work to be done.
On 2012-12-20, at 10:11, michael gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Gary,
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> I guess what I'ld be interested in is their/ISOC's response to=E2=80=A6
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> But now that the smoke is clearing and hopefully for some at least, the fo=
g is lifting there is now a very significant role for the technical communit=
y and CS (in their respective roles and hopefully as a united coalition of c=
oalitions) to articulate and lead the fight for a vision of how the Internet=
can function as a global public good (as opposed to a battlefield of multip=
le private interests) and what the governance structure (or process) for suc=
h a beast might look like.
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> M
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> From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of Gary=
W Kenward
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 12:33 AM
> Cc: Advisors Advisors
> Subject: Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Societ=
y activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
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> Michael:
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> The ISOC Canada chapter is still in the process of formation. The chart=
er is still being refined in response to discussions with ISOC. I will commu=
nicate, when I can, any significant and relevant progress in this regard. I a=
m also willing to answer any questions related to the formation of the chapt=
er, if I feel I can.
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> Any and all statements regarding WCIT and Internet Governance would be m=
y own opinion and nothing more. However, as the act of proffering them might=
lead some to mistakenly believe that my statements represent ISOC Canada po=
sitions, I must, for once, refrain from offering those opinions.
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> I would recommend asking someone from ISOC to share their view on WCIT a=
nd Internet Governance. Sally Wentworth was in Dubai and did an excellent jo=
b of reporting on the conference - before, during and after - to the ISOC ma=
iling list. There is also the ISOC statement concerning the outcome of WCIT a=
vailable at http://www.internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-disappointe=
d-over-fundamental-divides-world-conference-international.
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> Regards,
> Gary
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> The information contained in this document is private and confidential.
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> On 2012.12.19, at 2:15 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Sorry to be coming in late in this discussion but I've been following the W=
CIT discussions quite closely including the role of ISOC.
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> I guess I'm of two minds on the issue of TC and ISOC. On the one hand I a=
gree with the overall general objectives of ISOC and particularly concerning=
the promotion of the Internet. On the other hand I have some significant co=
ncerns in what role ISOC sees for itself in the broad area of Internet Gover=
nance and particularly how it sees itself in relation to those who refused t=
o sign the overall WCIT resolution (basically the US and its allies) and in t=
hat context how it sees its role going forward.
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> I've discussed my thoughts on this in several blog posts and most recently=
in an extended email (immediately below) that I sent to the "Governance" li=
st (of the civil society component of the Internet Governance Forum). I wou=
ld be very interested to have Gary and Evan as ISOC Canada proponents respon=
d.=20
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> Please note that I'm really concerned to discuss how ISOC (and others in t=
he technical community) see their role going forward as, as seems likely, is=
sues of Internet Governance are going to be front and centre for ISOC and ci=
vil society in this area for the foreseeable future.
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> Best,
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> Mike
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> From: michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:07 AM
> To: governance@lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: Values vs. Interests in IG
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> I think now that the smoke from Dubai is starting to clear a little, perha=
ps it would be a good idea for some of the fog to lift as well.
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> It seems to me that basic to some of the broad base of confusion(s) which s=
eemingly were at play in Dubai (and certainly were pervasive for those who w=
eren't there on the ground) is a fundamental (and to a very considerable deg=
ree--manufactured) confusion between "interests" and "values".
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> The quote (variously attributed to von Clausewitz, Palmerston and Anon) th=
at "States don't have friends, they have interests", probably should be upda=
ted in the context of a (Facebook et al) broad redefinition of the nature of=
"friends"--to the phrase "States don't have values, they have interests"..
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> To me, that pretty much sums up the posing and play acting that went on in=
Dubai and particularly frames a useful (i.e. fog free) understanding of the=
outcome. Clearly (to my mind at least) the US and others in the (Internet)=
Freedom League were promoting fairly specific commercial/national "interest=
s" (security, trade, capital and revenue flows, profits, tax regimes etc.etc=
.) under the broad guise of Internet Freedom/Hands off the Internet. To my=
mind nothing particularly surprising about that (the obverse at least for m=
e would have been the surprise).=20
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> Equally of course, the guys in the black hats on the other side were pursu=
ing national "interests" --security, trade, capital and revenue flows, profi=
ts, tax regimes etc.etc.--but as seen by and supportive of their team/errr s=
ide/errr coalition of the signers... nothing surprising about this either, a=
nd again one would be surprised if it wasn't thus.
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> However, what is surprising is the way in which the (Internet) Freedom Lea=
gue was able to frame the discussion (they have been reading their Lakoff) s=
o decisively as being one of (their) "good" values vs. the others "bad" inte=
rests!
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> Where this gets even more surprising and foggy is why the technical commun=
ity and civil society chose to take sides in this arena rather than siding f=
or the Internet (and the "values" that both, but particularly the technical c=
ommunity so vigourously and widely have been espousing).=20
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> Rather than for example, arguing for the Internet as a global public good a=
nd for the development of arrangements and mechanisms to ensure the continui=
ty and development of the Internet in the global public interest, for whatev=
er reason they (both the technical community and CS) chose to get lost in th=
e fog of battle and accept the public declarations of the purity of the "val=
ues" of one side, over the rather inept if rather more honest declarations o=
f "Interests" (in WCIT outcomes and ultimately in the operation of the Inter=
net) by the other side. (The role of the ITU in all this as a slightly disi=
ngenuous "honest broker" is to my mind largely beside the point in this foll=
ow on discussion.)
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> But now that the smoke is clearing and hopefully for some at least, the fo=
g is lifting there is now a very significant role for the technical communit=
y and CS (in their respective roles and hopefully as a united coalition of c=
oalitions) to articulate and lead the fight for a vision of how the Internet=
can function as a global public good (as opposed to a battlefield of multip=
le private interests) and what the governance structure (or process) for suc=
h a beast might look like.
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> Mike
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> From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of Gary=
W Kenward
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:45 AM
> To: Evan Leibovitch
> Cc: Gareth Shearman; Thompson, Darlene; Garth Graham; Advisors Advisors
> Subject: Re: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression o=
f interest + survey
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> Actually, there are two.
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> Gary
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> THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS DOCUMENT IS PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL.
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> On 2012.12.03, at 6:35 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
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> BTW, one of the organizers of the chapter is subscribed here. ;-)=20
> So if you have any questions, ask away!
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> - Evan
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> On 30 November 2012 12:03, Gareth Shearman <shearman@victoria.tc.ca> wrote=
:
> Sorry - I meant an individual member of ISOC, not ICANN!
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> Gareth
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> On 2012-11-30, at 5:55 AM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
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> That=E2=80=99s great, Gareth,
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> =46rom my personal POV, I have no interest in creating a regional chapter =E2=
=80=93 but that is because Nunavut is so small. I am thinking that getting b=
ehind a Canada-wide chapter at this time would be in our best interests and t=
hen, later, should we choose, creating regional chapters once we get the Can=
ada chapter going.
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> I have also put N-CAP in as a supporter and answered the survey.
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> Btw =E2=80=93 Gareth, you are not an individual member of =E2=80=9CICANN=E2=
=80=9D as ICANN has no membership as such. However, you are Chair of an ALS=
that belongs to the NARALO. If your ALS is part of the NARALO, you cannot b=
e an individual rep with the RALO at the same time. Just clarifying!
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> Darlene A. Thompson
> Community Access Program Administrator
> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP
> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
> Phone: (867) 975-5631
> Fax: (867) 975-5610
> E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
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> From: Gareth Shearman [mailto:shearman@victoria.tc.ca]=20
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:43 PM
> To: Thompson, Darlene
> Cc: 'Garth Graham'; Advisors Advisors
> Subject: Re: [Advisors] Fwd: Internet Society activities in Canada: Expres=
sion of interest + survey
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> I am also an individual member of ICANN and therefore received the same an=
nouncement that Garth shared with the group.
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> I have already indicated my interest to Glenn and Evan who are involved wi=
th the group wanting to see a Canadian ISOC chapter.
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> Given that the group doesn't seem to have any objection I will identify my=
self as a member of TC when I complete the survey.
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> Is there enough interest in the various regions to have regional chapters,=
not just a national one?
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> Gareth
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> On 2012-11-29, at 11:13 AM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
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> Hiya Garth,
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> This has been discussed in the ICANN circles for a while now and I am very=
eager to see this move forward. I will also support this from my end (thro=
ugh my non-profit). I am thinking, however, that since Gareth is our Presid=
ent and also involved with ICANN that it may be better for these e-mails to b=
e vetted through him and supported by the President of our Society.
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> Just my two cents worth.
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> Darlene A. Thompson
> Community Access Program Administrator
> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP
> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
> Phone: (867) 975-5631
> Fax: (867) 975-5610
> E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
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> From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of Gart=
h Graham
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:34 PM
> To: Advisors Advisors
> Subject: [Advisors] Fwd: Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression=
of interest + survey
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> An objections to or comment re my identifying myself as TC in this context=
?
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> GG
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: "Internet Society" <chapter-support@isoc.org>
> Subject: Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + s=
urvey
> Date: 29 November, 2012 8:14:28 AM PST
> To: <garth.graham@telus.net>
> Reply-To: "None"
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> Dear Garth Graham, =20
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> You are receiving this message as a member of the Internet Society (ISOC) i=
n Canada.=20
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> The Internet Society is exploring the possible creation of new ISOC Chapte=
rs in Canada, either as province/territory based Chapters or as a larger Cha=
pter. The motivation for this is to provide enhanced opportunities for ISOC m=
embers to become involved in issues important to their local community. You m=
ight be aware that there is only one ISOC Chapter in Canada, namely in Qu=C3=
=A9bec (http://www.isocquebec.org), at the moment. Other ISOC Chapters in Ca=
nada went dormant and were closed. =20
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> The good news is that a new group has emerged looking into the formation o=
f a new Chapter in Canada (see http://isoccanada.pbworks.com).
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> WE NEED YOUR HELP
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> This email is a request for "Expressions of Interest" and to invite you to=
help us create more Internet Society Chapter(s) in Canada. I would thus lik=
e to invite you to complete a short survey before Dec 16, 2012 :
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> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ISOC-Survey-Canada
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> If you are interested, you should be able to spend some time as a voluntee=
r helping to shape the future for the Internet Society's Chapter activities i=
n Canada. This means taking part in discussions and (online)-meetings that c=
over what role the Chapter should have in Canada, what activities it should u=
ndertake to advance the ISOC mission, how it can best serve it=E2=80=99s mem=
bership and how it can become a true =E2=80=98multi-stakeholder=E2=80=99 gro=
up. It takes time and effort to run a successful Chapter and a strong team i=
s therefore needed, ideally composed of individuals from many different stak=
eholder organizations.
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> FYI, this email has been sent to all Internet Society members in Canada, i=
ncluding members of the ISOC Qu=C3=A9bec Chapter as their feedback is equall=
y important.
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> Please feel free to share this link with other Canadians who could have an=
interest in becoming part of this initiative. This is an open and consultat=
ive process with an invitation to all those interested to join the discussio=
n. Please invite other stakeholders to join the Internet Society - membersh=
ip is free and you can sign up to be a part of this discussion at : https://=
portal.isoc.org/EBusiness/NewMemberStepOne.aspx.
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> Let me also use this opportunity to highlight the purpose and scope of ISO=
C Chapters as described in our policies (https://www.internetsociety.org/who=
-we-are/chapters/start/chapter-formation-policies) :
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> =E2=80=A2 Purpose of Chapters
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> Chapters of the Internet Society are expected to serve the interests of a s=
egment of the global Internet community in a manner consistent with themissi=
on and principles of the Internet Society. Through a presence local to its c=
ommunity of interest, a Chapter focuses on issues and developments important=
to its community. A Chapter recognizes, honours, and uses the culture, cust=
oms, and language of its community. Every Chapter shall have an explicit sta=
tement of purpose.
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> =E2=80=A2 Scope of Chapters
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> Chapters may be established on a non-exclusive basis to serve the needs of=
any specific, cohesive community of interest. Multiple Chapters serving ove=
rlapping communities are not permitted.
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> Please contact <chapter-support@isoc.org> should you have any questions.
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> Thank you for your support of the Internet Society.
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> Best regards,
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> Sabrina Wilmot
> Manager, Chapter Formation
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> Internet Society
> http://www.internetsociety.org
> http://www.twitter.com/internetsociety
> http://www.youtube.com/internetsocietyvideo
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> Evan Leibovitch
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> Em: evan at telly dot org
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uld also like to see a position from the Canadian Internet tech communities.=
Hopefully, a constructive, inclusive actionable position.</div><div>There i=
s much work to be done.</div><div><br>On 2012-12-20, at 10:11, michael gurst=
ein <<a href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wro=
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ot;sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks Gary,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p clas=
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ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri&q=
uot;,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I guess what I'ld be interested i=
n is their/ISOC's response to=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
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Normal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&=
quot;sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But now that the smoke is clearing and h=
opefully for some at least, the fog is lifting there is now a very significa=
nt role for the technical community and CS (in their respective roles and ho=
pefully as a united coalition of coalitions) to articulate and lead the figh=
t for a vision of how the Internet can function as a global public good (as o=
pposed to a battlefield of multiple private interests) and what the governan=
ce structure (or process) for such a beast might look like.<o:p></o:p></span=
></i></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:=
p></span></i></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
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padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","san=
s-serif""> <a href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca">advisors-admin@tc.ca=
</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca">mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca</a=
>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary W Kenward<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 20,=
2012 12:33 AM<br><b>Cc:</b> Advisors Advisors<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Values=
vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canad=
a: Expression of interest + survey<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael:<o:p></o:=
p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"> The ISOC Canada chapter is still in the process of f=
ormation. The charter is still being refined in response to discussions with=
ISOC. I will communicate, when I can, any significant and relevant progress=
in this regard. I am also willing to answer any questions related to the fo=
rmation of the chapter, if I feel I can.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&n=
bsp; Any and all statements regarding WCIT and Internet Governance wou=
ld be my own opinion and nothing more. However, as the act of proffering the=
m might lead some to mistakenly believe that my statements represent ISOC Ca=
nada positions, I must, for once, refrain from offering those opinions.<o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> I would recommend asking someone from IS=
OC to share their view on WCIT and Internet Governance. Sally Wentworth was i=
n Dubai and did an excellent job of reporting on the conference - before, du=
ring and after - to the ISOC mailing list. There is also the ISOC statement c=
oncerning the outcome of WCIT available at <a href=3D"http://www.intern=
etsociety.org/news/internet-society-disappointed-over-fundamental-divides-wo=
rld-conference-international">http://www.internetsociety.org/news/internet-s=
ociety-disappointed-over-fundamental-divides-world-conference-international<=
/a>.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Gary<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> =
</o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:7.5=
pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#511989"><br>-=
----------------------------------------------</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#008E00">To intro=
duce something altogether new would mean to begin all over, to become i=
gnorant again, and to run the old, old risk of failing to learn.</span><span=
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;color:#008E00"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Lucid=
a Console";color:#919191"> - Isaac Asimov</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#008E00=
"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Cons=
ole";color:#919191"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";=
color:#919191"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"=
;,"sans-serif";color:#9C1800">The information contained in th=
is document is private and confidential.</span></i><span style=3D"font-size:=
13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p=
></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 2012.12.19, at 2:15 PM, michael gur=
stein <<a href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> w=
rote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sorry to be coming in=
late in this discussion but I've been following the WCIT discussions quite c=
losely including the role of ISOC.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I guess I'm of two minds o=
n the issue of TC and ISOC. On the one hand I agree with the overall g=
eneral objectives of ISOC and particularly concerning the promotion of the I=
nternet. On the other hand I have some significant concerns in what role ISO=
C sees for itself in the broad area of Internet Governance and particularly h=
ow it sees itself in relation to those who refused to sign the overall WCIT r=
esolution (basically the US and its allies) and in that context how it sees i=
ts role going forward.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans=
-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I've discussed my thoughts on this in s=
everal blog posts and most recently in an extended email (immediately below)=
that I sent to the "Governance" list (of the civil society component of the=
Internet Governance Forum). I would be very interested to have Gary a=
nd Evan as ISOC Canada proponents respond. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:=
p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Please not=
e that I'm really concerned to discuss how ISOC (and others in the technical=
community) see their role going forward as, as seems likely, issues of Inte=
rnet Governance are going to be front and centre for ISOC and civil society i=
n this area for the foreseeable future.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri=
","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best,</span><o:p></=
o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </=
span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F49=
7D">Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col=
or:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-ser=
if";color:#1F497D">--------------------------------------------</span><=
o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">From:=
michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein@<a href=3D"http://gmail.com"><span style=3D=
"color:purple">gmail.com</span></a>]</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri&qu=
ot;,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9=
:07 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col=
or:#1F497D">To:<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a href=3D=
"mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"><span style=3D"color:purple">governan=
ce@lists.igcaucus.org</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Subject: Values vs. Interests in IG</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";=
color:#1F497D">I think now that the smoke from Dubai is starting to clear a l=
ittle, perhaps it would be a good idea for some of the fog to lift as well.<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
97D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"=
;;color:#1F497D">It seems to me that basic to some of the broad base of conf=
usion(s) which seemingly were at play in Dubai (and certainly were pervasive=
for those who weren't there on the ground) is a fundamental (and to a very c=
onsiderable degree--manufactured) confusion between "interests" and "values"=
.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1=
F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:#1F497D">The quote (variously attributed to von Clausewitz, Palmer=
ston and Anon) that "States don't have friends, they have interests", probab=
ly should be updated in the context of a (Facebook et al) broad redefinition=
of the nature of "friends"--to the phrase "States don't have values, they h=
ave interests"..</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&quo=
t;sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To me, that pretty much sums up the posing=
and play acting that went on in Dubai and particularly frames a useful (i.e=
. fog free) understanding of the outcome. Clearly (to my mind at least=
) the US and others in the (Internet) Freedom League were promoting fairly s=
pecific commercial/national "interests" (security, trade, capital and revenu=
e flows, profits, tax regimes etc.etc.) under the broad guise of Inter=
net Freedom/Hands off the Internet. To my mind nothing particularly su=
rprising about that (the obverse at least for me would have been the surpris=
e). </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";=
color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-=
serif";color:#1F497D">Equally of course, the guys in the black hats on t=
he other side were pursuing national "interests" --security, trade, capital a=
nd revenue flows, profits, tax regimes etc.etc.--but as seen by and supporti=
ve of their team/errr side/errr coalition of the signers... nothing surprisi=
ng about this either, and again one would be surprised if it wasn't thus.</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";=
color:#1F497D">However, what is surprising is the way in which the (Internet=
) Freedom League was able to frame the discussion (they have been reading th=
eir Lakoff) so decisively as being one of (their) "good" values vs. the othe=
rs "bad" interests!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&=
quot;sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Where this gets even more surprising an=
d foggy is why the technical community and civil society chose to take sides=
in this arena rather than siding for the Internet (and the "values" that bo=
th, but particularly the technical community so vigourously and widely have b=
een espousing). </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-=
serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rather than for example, arguing for t=
he Internet as a global public good and for the development of arrangements a=
nd mechanisms to ensure the continuity and development of the Internet in th=
e global public interest, for whatever reason they (both the technical commu=
nity and CS) chose to get lost in the fog of battle and accept the public de=
clarations of the purity of the "values" of one side, over the rather inept i=
f rather more honest declarations of "Interests" (in WCIT outcomes and ultim=
ately in the operation of the Internet) by the other side. (The role o=
f the ITU in all this as a slightly disingenuous "honest broker" is to my mi=
nd largely beside the point in this follow on discussion.)</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">=
But now that the smoke is clearing and hopefully for some at least, the fog i=
s lifting there is now a very significant role for the technical community a=
nd CS (in their respective roles and hopefully as a united coalition of coal=
itions) to articulate and lead the fight for a vision of how the Internet ca=
n function as a global public good (as opposed to a battlefield of multiple p=
rivate interests) and what the governance structure (or process) for such a b=
east might look like.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-=
serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>=
</div><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:=
3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b=
><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&quo=
t;"><a href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca"><span style=3D"color:purple">adv=
isors-admin@tc.ca</span></a><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </sp=
an>[mailto:advisors-<a href=3D"mailto:admin@tc.ca"><span style=3D"color:purp=
le">admin@tc.ca</span></a>]<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </spa=
n><b>On Behalf Of<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Gary=
W Kenward<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span=
>Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:45 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3D"apple-conve=
rted-space"> </span>Evan Leibovitch<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=3D"apple-c=
onverted-space"> </span>Gareth Shearman; Thompson, Darlene; Garth Graha=
m; Advisors Advisors<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"=
> </span>Re: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: Expressi=
on of interest + survey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Actual=
ly, there are two.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gary<o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:13.5pt"><b><i>=
<span style=3D"font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sa=
ns-serif""><br><br><br><br></span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#9C1800">THE INFORMATION=
CONTAINED IN THIS DOCUMENT IS PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL.</span></i></b><o:p>=
</o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p=
></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 2012.12.03, at 6:35 PM, Evan=
Leibovitch <<a href=3D"mailto:evan@telly.org"><span style=3D"color:purpl=
e">evan@telly.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">BTW, one of the organizers of the chapter is subscribed here. ;-) <o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">So if you have any quest=
ions, ask away!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <=
o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Evan<o:p></o:p>=
</p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div>=
</div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"> =
;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 30 November 2012 12:03, G=
areth Shearman <<a href=3D"mailto:shearman@victoria.tc.ca" target=3D"_bla=
nk"><span style=3D"color:purple">shearman@victoria.tc.ca</span></a>> wrot=
e:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sorry - I meant an i=
ndividual member of ISOC, not ICANN!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"color:#888888">Gareth</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">On 2012-11-30, at 5:55 AM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:<o:p></=
o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><=
/div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That=E2=
=80=99s great, Gareth,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></di=
v><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">=46rom my perso=
nal POV, I have no interest in creating a regional chapter =E2=80=93 but tha=
t is because Nunavut is so small. I am thinking that getting behind a C=
anada-wide chapter at this time would be in our best interests and then, lat=
er, should we choose, creating regional chapters once we get the Canada chap=
ter going.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-=
serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I have also put N-CAP in a=
s a supporter and answered the survey.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o=
:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
">Btw =E2=80=93 Gareth, you are not an individual member of =E2=80=9CICANN=E2=
=80=9D as ICANN has no membership as such. However, you are Chair of a=
n ALS that belongs to the NARALO. If your ALS is part of the NARALO, y=
ou cannot be an individual rep with the RALO at the same time. Just cl=
arifying!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-s=
erif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">D</span><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:ma=
roon">Darlene A. Thompson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old S=
tyle","serif";color:green">Community Access Program Administr=
ator</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style","ser=
if";color:green">Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP</span><o:p></o:p></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style","serif";color:green">P.=
O. Box 1000, Station 910</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
;Goudy Old Style","serif";color:green">Iqaluit, NU X0A 0=
H0</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span l=
ang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style"=
,"serif";color:green">Phone: <span class=3D"apple-converted-s=
pace"> </span><a href=3D"tel:%28867%29%20975-5631" target=3D"_blank"><s=
pan style=3D"color:purple">(867) 975-5631</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></=
div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style","serif";color:g=
reen">Fax: <span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a href=3D=
"tel:%28867%29%20975-5610" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:purple">(8=
67) 975-5610</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Go=
udy Old Style","serif";color:green">E-mail:</span><span lang=3D=
"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face",=
"serif";color:#333300"> </span><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face","serif";color=
:#333300"><a href=3D"mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca" target=3D"_blank"><span lan=
g=3D"FR" style=3D"color:purple">dthompson@gov.nu.ca</span></a></span><o:p></=
o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:=
#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style=3D"border:n=
one;border-top:solid windowtext 3.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;z-index:auto=
"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> =
;Gareth Shearman [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:shearman@victoria.tc.ca" target=3D=
"_blank"><span style=3D"color:purple">shearman@victoria.tc.ca</span></a>]&nb=
sp;<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:43 PM<br><b>To:</b>&n=
bsp;Thompson, Darlene<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Garth Graham'; Advisors Advisors<b=
r><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Advisors] Fwd: Internet Society activities in Ca=
nada: Expression of interest + survey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div=
><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am also an individual member of ICANN and therefor=
e received the same announcement that Garth shared with the group.<o:p></o:p=
></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div=
></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have already indicated my interest=
to Glenn and Evan who are involved with the group wanting to see a Canadian=
ISOC chapter.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Given that t=
he group doesn't seem to have any objection I will identify myself as a memb=
er of TC when I complete the survey.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Is there enough interest in the various regions to have regional ch=
apters, not just a national one?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Gareth<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 2=
012-11-29, at 11:13 AM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hiy=
a Garth,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This has been discussed in t=
he ICANN circles for a while now and I am very eager to see this move forwar=
d. I will also support this from my end (through my non-profit). =
I am thinking, however, that since Gareth is our President and also involve=
d with ICANN that it may be better for these e-mails to be vetted through hi=
m and supported by the President of our Society.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div>=
</div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col=
or:#1F497D">Just my two cents worth.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p=
></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">=
D</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Trebuchet MS","=
;sans-serif";color:maroon">Darlene A. Thompson</span><o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Goudy Old Style","serif";color:green">Communi=
ty Access Program Administrator</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goud=
y Old Style","serif";color:green">Nunavut Dept. of Education /=
N-CAP</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style","s=
erif";color:green">P.O. Box 1000, Station 910</span><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style","serif";color:gre=
en">Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Goudy Old Style","serif";color:green">Phone: <span c=
lass=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a href=3D"tel:%28867%29%20975-5=
631" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:purple">(867) 975-5631</span></a=
></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style",=
"serif";color:green">Fax: <span class=3D"apple-converted-spac=
e"> </span><a href=3D"tel:%28867%29%20975-5610" target=3D"_blank"><span=
style=3D"color:purple">(867) 975-5610</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div=
></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old Style","serif";color:gree=
n">E-mail:</span><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Baskerville Old Face","serif";color:#333300"> <=
/span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old Face=
","serif";color:#333300"><a href=3D"mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.c=
a" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"color:purple">dthompson@gov.=
nu.ca</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></di=
v><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 3.0pt;padding:3=
.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
rif""> <a href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca" target=3D"_blank"><=
span style=3D"color:purple">advisors-admin@tc.ca</span></a> [<a href=3D=
"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:purple"=
>mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca</span></a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Garth=
Graham<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:34 PM<br><b>To:<=
/b> Advisors Advisors<br><b>Subject:</b> [Advisors] Fwd: Internet S=
ociety activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey</span><o:p></o:=
p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></=
p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">An objections to or comment r=
e my identifying myself as TC in this context?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">GG<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family=
:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">From: </span></b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif&=
quot;">"Internet Society" <<a href=3D"mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org" ta=
rget=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:purple">chapter-support@isoc.org</span>=
</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sa=
ns-serif"">Subject: Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression o=
f interest + survey</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica&q=
uot;,"sans-serif"">Date: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:=
13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">29 November=
, 2012 8:14:28 AM PST</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica&q=
uot;,"sans-serif"">To: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:13=
.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><<a href=3D=
"mailto:garth.graham@telus.net" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:purpl=
e">garth.graham@telus.net</span></a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-famil=
y:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Reply-To: </span></b><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-s=
erif"">"None"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><strong><span style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">Dear Garth G=
raham,</span></strong><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","=
;sans-serif";color:#333333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3333=
33">You are receiving this message as a member of the Internet Society (ISOC=
) in Canada. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#=
333333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">The Internet S=
ociety is exploring the possible creation of new ISOC Chapters in Canada, ei=
ther as province/territory based Chapters or as a larger Chapter. The motiva=
tion for this is to provide enhanced opportunities for ISOC members to b=
ecome involved in issues important to their local community. You might b=
e aware that there is only one ISOC Chapter in Canada, namely in Qu=C3=A9=
bec (<a href=3D"http://www.isocquebec.org/" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D=
"color:purple">http://www.isocquebec.org</span></a>), at the moment. Other I=
SOC Chapters in Canada went dormant and were closed. </span><o:p></o:p=
></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:#333333">The good news is that a new group has emerged looking int=
o the formation of a new Chapter in Canada (see <a href=3D"http://isocc=
anada.pbworks.com/" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:purple">http://is=
occanada.pbworks.com</span></a>).</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-seri=
f";color:#333333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><strong><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:=
#333333">WE NEED YOUR HELP</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-seri=
f";color:#333333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333"=
>This email is a request for "Expressions of Interest" and to invite you to h=
elp us create more Internet Society Chapter(s) in Canada. I would thus like t=
o invite you to complete a <strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Helvetica","sans-serif"">short survey before Dec 16, 2012</=
span></strong> :</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";colo=
r:#333333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333"> <a hr=
ef=3D"https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ISOC-Survey-Canada" target=3D"_blank"><=
span style=3D"color:purple">https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ISOC-Survey-Canad=
a</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333=
"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">If you are intereste=
d, you should be able to spend some time as a volunteer helping to shap=
e the future for the Internet Society's Chapter activities in Canada. T=
his means taking part in discussions and (online)-meetings that cover what r=
ole the Chapter should have in Canada, what activities it should undertake t=
o advance the ISOC mission, how it can best serve it=E2=80=99s membersh=
ip and how it can become a true =E2=80=98multi-stakeholder=E2=80=99 group.&n=
bsp;It takes time and effort to run a successful Chapter and a strong team i=
s therefore needed, ideally composed of individuals from many different=
stakeholder organizations.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif=
";color:#333333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span style=
=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">=
FYI, this email has been sent to all Internet Society members in Canada, inc=
luding members of the ISOC Qu=C3=A9bec Chapter as their feedback is equally i=
mportant.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Hel=
vetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">Please feel free to share=
this link with other Canadians who could have an interest in becoming part o=
f this initiative. This is an open and consultative process with an inv=
itation to all those interested to join the discussion. Please invite o=
ther stakeholders to join the Internet Society - membership is free and you c=
an sign up to be a part of this discussion at : <a href=3D"https:/=
/portal.isoc.org/EBusiness/NewMemberStepOne.aspx" target=3D"_blank"><span st=
yle=3D"color:purple">https://portal.isoc.org/EBusiness/NewMemberStepOne.aspx=
</span></a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333=
"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">Let me also use this=
opportunity to highlight the purpose and scope of ISOC Chapters as describe=
d in our policies (<a href=3D"https://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/cha=
pters/start/chapter-formation-policies" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"col=
or:purple">https://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/start/chapter=
-formation-policies</span></a>) :</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-seri=
f";color:#333333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333"=
>=E2=80=A2 <strong><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",&qu=
ot;sans-serif"">Purpose of Chapters</span></strong></span><o:p></o:p></=
p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"=
;color:#333333">Chapters of the Internet Society are expected to serve the i=
nterests of a segment of the global Internet community in a manner consisten=
t with themission and principles of the Internet Society. Through a pre=
sence local to its community of interest, a Chapter focuses on issues and de=
velopments important to its community. A Chapter recognizes, honours, a=
nd uses the culture, customs, and language of its community. Every Chapter s=
hall have an explicit statement of purpose.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","=
;sans-serif";color:#333333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p>=
<span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";colo=
r:#333333">=E2=80=A2 <strong><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica=
","sans-serif"">Scope of Chapters</span></strong></span><o:p>=
</o:p></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-ser=
if";color:#333333">Chapters may be established on a non-exclusive basis=
to serve the needs of any specific, cohesive community of interest. Multipl=
e Chapters serving overlapping communities are not permitted.</span><o:=
p></o:p></p><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-s=
erif";color:#333333">Please contact <<a href=3D"mailto:chapter-suppo=
rt@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:purple">chapter-support@=
isoc.org</span></a>> should you have any questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>=
<div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica&=
quot;,"sans-serif";color:#333333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v></div><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif=
";color:#333333">Thank you for your support of the Internet Society.</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333"> </span>=
<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica&quo=
t;,"sans-serif";color:#333333">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>=
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";c=
olor:#333333">Sabrina Wilmot<br>Manager, Chapter Formation<br>--------------=
-----------------------------<br>Internet Society<br><a href=3D"http://www.i=
nternetsociety.org/" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:purple">http://w=
ww.internetsociety.org</span></a><br><a href=3D"http://www.twitter.com/inter=
netsociety" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:purple">http://www.twitte=
r.com/internetsociety</span></a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/intern=
etsocietyvideo" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:purple">http://www.yo=
utube.com/internetsocietyvideo</span></a><br>-------------------------------=
-------------<br> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br clear=3D"all"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al">--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Evan Leibovitch<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Toronto Canada<o:p></o:p></p></di=
v><blockquote style=3D"margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;=
margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Em: evan at telly dot org<o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sk: evanleibovitch<o:p></o:p>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tw: el56<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockqu=
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