Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
James Van Leeuwen
jvl at ventus.ca
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Michael,=20
I share your sentiments around the need (and opportunity) to "...lead =
the fight for a vision of how the Internet can function as a global =
public good...".
The global community of digital tool users now numbers in the billions.=20=
The stakes around Internet governance are huge for this community, yet =
the dominant players at the table are still governments and industries.
Most Canadian ICT users continue to put their faith in their government =
and their industry to advance their interests.
Such is our character, in this case to our detriment.
We merely invite more of the same incompetence (from government) and =
self-serving abuse (from industry) that has left Canada trailing the =
pack in leveraging digital tools for economic and social development.
Massively centralized industries and institutions are legacies of the =
Industrial Age.
They are neither incentivized nor positioned to provide the massively =
decentralized leadership we will require in the Intelligent Age.
It is not in their DNA.
Engaging industry directly is a waste of time and energy, as they are =
consumed by their efforts to prop up and protect an unsustainable status =
quo.
There is always something to be gained from engaging government, but for =
now it is difficult to justify the effort.
The government remains far too captive to industry and investor =
interests to respond meaningfully and substantively.
I believe that engaging the user community directly will be the most =
effective way to foster the leadership and build the leverage we will =
need.
TC and ISOC are just two of many civil society organizations (CSOs) that =
strive to provide guidance and leadership relevant to the Digital Age.
However, none of these CSOs will be nearly as effective as we need them =
to be until they have a strong and unambiguous mandate from civil =
society itself.
They must have numbers, the kind of numbers only the community of =
digital tool users can provide.
The challenge is to rally this community to the cause.
In discussions and deliberations relating to the structure, operation =
and governance of telecom networks and operating protocols, I routinely =
leverage the motorist as a proxy for the digital tool user.
=46rom my home or place of business, I can use my personal vehicles =
(devices) to access almost any other home or place of business on the =
continent by way of public road networks, while barely having to think =
about how to access and use these networks.
I can do much the same on the continent of Europe or the continent of =
Australia, and the remaining populated continents become increasingly =
amenable to such activity day by day.=20
Public road networks and protocols for using them are generally designed =
to make it as easy as possible for you, me and everyone else to create =
value for ourselves and for each other.
They provide us with a broad and highly transparent platform for value =
creation, which we only become really conscious of when it fails us in =
some way.
We need broadband networks and protocols that provide for digital tool =
users what public road networks and protocols have long been providing =
for motorists.
This is the vision that guides my thinking and actions in the challenge =
to develop broadband networks and the Internet as public goods.=20
If there is to be substantive dialog between TC, ISOC and any other CSOs =
around meeting this leadership challenge, let it be around the need and =
the opportunity to enrol the community of digital tool users in the =
effort.
Toward this end, the attached document outlines a potential solution =
that builds on the powerful analogy with motorists.
I have circulated the document in this forum before, but I thought it =
might be timely to run it up the flagpole again and see if anyone =
salutes it (or burns it).
We need to be doing something far more effective than we are today, and =
I think the solution lies with the user community.=20
James
On 2012-12-20, at 9:15 AM, "garykenward@eastlink.ca" =
<garykenward@eastlink.ca> wrote:
> So am I.
>=20
> I would also like to see a position from the Canadian Internet tech =
communities. Hopefully, a constructive, inclusive actionable position.
> There is much work to be done.
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> On 2012-12-20, at 10:11, michael gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Thanks Gary,
>> =20
>> I guess what I'ld be interested in is their/ISOC's response to=85
>> =20
>> But now that the smoke is clearing and hopefully for some at least, =
the fog is lifting there is now a very significant role for the =
technical community and CS (in their respective roles and hopefully as a =
united coalition of coalitions) to articulate and lead the fight for a =
vision of how the Internet can function as a global public good (as =
opposed to a battlefield of multiple private interests) and what the =
governance structure (or process) for such a beast might look like.
>> =20
>> M
>> =20
>> From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of =
Gary W Kenward
>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 12:33 AM
>> Cc: Advisors Advisors
>> Subject: Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet =
Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
>> =20
>> Michael:
>> =20
>> The ISOC Canada chapter is still in the process of formation. The =
charter is still being refined in response to discussions with ISOC. I =
will communicate, when I can, any significant and relevant progress in =
this regard. I am also willing to answer any questions related to the =
formation of the chapter, if I feel I can.
>> =20
>> Any and all statements regarding WCIT and Internet Governance =
would be my own opinion and nothing more. However, as the act of =
proffering them might lead some to mistakenly believe that my statements =
represent ISOC Canada positions, I must, for once, refrain from offering =
those opinions.
>> =20
>> I would recommend asking someone from ISOC to share their view on =
WCIT and Internet Governance. Sally Wentworth was in Dubai and did an =
excellent job of reporting on the conference - before, during and after =
- to the ISOC mailing list. There is also the ISOC statement concerning =
the outcome of WCIT available at =
http://www.internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-disappointed-over-fun=
damental-divides-world-conference-international.
>> =20
>> Regards,
>> Gary
>> =20
>>=20
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> To introduce something altogether new would mean to begin all over, =
to become ignorant again, and to run the old, old risk of failing to =
learn.
>> - Isaac Asimov=20
>> =20
>> The information contained in this document is private and =
confidential.
>> =20
>> On 2012.12.19, at 2:15 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sorry to be coming in late in this discussion but I've been following =
the WCIT discussions quite closely including the role of ISOC.
>> =20
>> I guess I'm of two minds on the issue of TC and ISOC. On the one =
hand I agree with the overall general objectives of ISOC and =
particularly concerning the promotion of the Internet. On the other hand =
I have some significant concerns in what role ISOC sees for itself in =
the broad area of Internet Governance and particularly how it sees =
itself in relation to those who refused to sign the overall WCIT =
resolution (basically the US and its allies) and in that context how it =
sees its role going forward.
>> =20
>> I've discussed my thoughts on this in several blog posts and most =
recently in an extended email (immediately below) that I sent to the =
"Governance" list (of the civil society component of the Internet =
Governance Forum). I would be very interested to have Gary and Evan as =
ISOC Canada proponents respond.=20
>> =20
>> Please note that I'm really concerned to discuss how ISOC (and others =
in the technical community) see their role going forward as, as seems =
likely, issues of Internet Governance are going to be front and centre =
for ISOC and civil society in this area for the foreseeable future.
>> =20
>> Best,
>> =20
>> Mike
>> =20
>> --------------------------------------------
>> From: michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:07 AM
>> To: governance@lists.igcaucus.org
>> Subject: Values vs. Interests in IG
>> =20
>> I think now that the smoke from Dubai is starting to clear a little, =
perhaps it would be a good idea for some of the fog to lift as well.
>> =20
>> It seems to me that basic to some of the broad base of confusion(s) =
which seemingly were at play in Dubai (and certainly were pervasive for =
those who weren't there on the ground) is a fundamental (and to a very =
considerable degree--manufactured) confusion between "interests" and =
"values".
>> =20
>> The quote (variously attributed to von Clausewitz, Palmerston and =
Anon) that "States don't have friends, they have interests", probably =
should be updated in the context of a (Facebook et al) broad =
redefinition of the nature of "friends"--to the phrase "States don't =
have values, they have interests"..
>> =20
>> To me, that pretty much sums up the posing and play acting that went =
on in Dubai and particularly frames a useful (i.e. fog free) =
understanding of the outcome. Clearly (to my mind at least) the US and =
others in the (Internet) Freedom League were promoting fairly specific =
commercial/national "interests" (security, trade, capital and revenue =
flows, profits, tax regimes etc.etc.) under the broad guise of Internet =
Freedom/Hands off the Internet. To my mind nothing particularly =
surprising about that (the obverse at least for me would have been the =
surprise).=20
>> =20
>> Equally of course, the guys in the black hats on the other side were =
pursuing national "interests" --security, trade, capital and revenue =
flows, profits, tax regimes etc.etc.--but as seen by and supportive of =
their team/errr side/errr coalition of the signers... nothing surprising =
about this either, and again one would be surprised if it wasn't thus.
>> =20
>> However, what is surprising is the way in which the (Internet) =
Freedom League was able to frame the discussion (they have been reading =
their Lakoff) so decisively as being one of (their) "good" values vs. =
the others "bad" interests!
>> =20
>> Where this gets even more surprising and foggy is why the technical =
community and civil society chose to take sides in this arena rather =
than siding for the Internet (and the "values" that both, but =
particularly the technical community so vigourously and widely have been =
espousing).=20
>> =20
>> Rather than for example, arguing for the Internet as a global public =
good and for the development of arrangements and mechanisms to ensure =
the continuity and development of the Internet in the global public =
interest, for whatever reason they (both the technical community and CS) =
chose to get lost in the fog of battle and accept the public =
declarations of the purity of the "values" of one side, over the rather =
inept if rather more honest declarations of "Interests" (in WCIT =
outcomes and ultimately in the operation of the Internet) by the other =
side. (The role of the ITU in all this as a slightly disingenuous =
"honest broker" is to my mind largely beside the point in this follow on =
discussion.)
>> =20
>> But now that the smoke is clearing and hopefully for some at least, =
the fog is lifting there is now a very significant role for the =
technical community and CS (in their respective roles and hopefully as a =
united coalition of coalitions) to articulate and lead the fight for a =
vision of how the Internet can function as a global public good (as =
opposed to a battlefield of multiple private interests) and what the =
governance structure (or process) for such a beast might look like.
>> =20
>> Mike
>> =20
>> From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of =
Gary W Kenward
>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:45 AM
>> To: Evan Leibovitch
>> Cc: Gareth Shearman; Thompson, Darlene; Garth Graham; Advisors =
Advisors
>> Subject: Re: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: =
Expression of interest + survey
>> =20
>> Actually, there are two.
>> =20
>> Gary
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>> THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS DOCUMENT IS PRIVATE AND =
CONFIDENTIAL.
>> =20
>> On 2012.12.03, at 6:35 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
>>=20
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>> BTW, one of the organizers of the chapter is subscribed here. ;-)=20
>> So if you have any questions, ask away!
>> =20
>> - Evan
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>> On 30 November 2012 12:03, Gareth Shearman <shearman@victoria.tc.ca> =
wrote:
>> Sorry - I meant an individual member of ISOC, not ICANN!
>> =20
>> Gareth
>> =20
>> On 2012-11-30, at 5:55 AM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
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>> That=92s great, Gareth,
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>> =46rom my personal POV, I have no interest in creating a regional =
chapter =96 but that is because Nunavut is so small. I am thinking that =
getting behind a Canada-wide chapter at this time would be in our best =
interests and then, later, should we choose, creating regional chapters =
once we get the Canada chapter going.
>> =20
>> I have also put N-CAP in as a supporter and answered the survey.
>> =20
>> Btw =96 Gareth, you are not an individual member of =93ICANN=94 as =
ICANN has no membership as such. However, you are Chair of an ALS that =
belongs to the NARALO. If your ALS is part of the NARALO, you cannot be =
an individual rep with the RALO at the same time. Just clarifying!
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>> Darlene A. Thompson
>> Community Access Program Administrator
>> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP
>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
>> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
>> Phone: (867) 975-5631
>> Fax: (867) 975-5610
>> E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
>> =20
>> From: Gareth Shearman [mailto:shearman@victoria.tc.ca]=20
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:43 PM
>> To: Thompson, Darlene
>> Cc: 'Garth Graham'; Advisors Advisors
>> Subject: Re: [Advisors] Fwd: Internet Society activities in Canada: =
Expression of interest + survey
>> =20
>> I am also an individual member of ICANN and therefore received the =
same announcement that Garth shared with the group.
>> =20
>> I have already indicated my interest to Glenn and Evan who are =
involved with the group wanting to see a Canadian ISOC chapter.
>> =20
>> Given that the group doesn't seem to have any objection I will =
identify myself as a member of TC when I complete the survey.
>> =20
>> Is there enough interest in the various regions to have regional =
chapters, not just a national one?
>> =20
>> Gareth
>> =20
>> On 2012-11-29, at 11:13 AM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
>> =20
>>=20
>> Hiya Garth,
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>> This has been discussed in the ICANN circles for a while now and I am =
very eager to see this move forward. I will also support this from my =
end (through my non-profit). I am thinking, however, that since Gareth =
is our President and also involved with ICANN that it may be better for =
these e-mails to be vetted through him and supported by the President of =
our Society.
>> =20
>> Just my two cents worth.
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>> D
>> =20
>> Darlene A. Thompson
>> Community Access Program Administrator
>> Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP
>> P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
>> Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
>> Phone: (867) 975-5631
>> Fax: (867) 975-5610
>> E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
>> =20
>> From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of =
Garth Graham
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:34 PM
>> To: Advisors Advisors
>> Subject: [Advisors] Fwd: Internet Society activities in Canada: =
Expression of interest + survey
>> =20
>> An objections to or comment re my identifying myself as TC in this =
context?
>> =20
>> GG
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>> Begin forwarded message:
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>> From: "Internet Society" <chapter-support@isoc.org>
>> Subject: Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of =
interest + survey
>> Date: 29 November, 2012 8:14:28 AM PST
>> To: <garth.graham@telus.net>
>> Reply-To: "None"
>> =20
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>> Dear Garth Graham, =20
>>=20
>> You are receiving this message as a member of the Internet Society =
(ISOC) in Canada.=20
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>> The Internet Society is exploring the possible creation of new ISOC =
Chapters in Canada, either as province/territory based Chapters or as a =
larger Chapter. The motivation for this is to provide enhanced =
opportunities for ISOC members to become involved in issues important to =
their local community. You might be aware that there is only one ISOC =
Chapter in Canada, namely in Qu=E9bec (http://www.isocquebec.org), at =
the moment. Other ISOC Chapters in Canada went dormant and were closed. =20=
>>=20
>> The good news is that a new group has emerged looking into the =
formation of a new Chapter in Canada (see =
http://isoccanada.pbworks.com).
>>=20
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>> WE NEED YOUR HELP
>>=20
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>> This email is a request for "Expressions of Interest" and to invite =
you to help us create more Internet Society Chapter(s) in Canada. I =
would thus like to invite you to complete a short survey before Dec 16, =
2012 :
>>=20
>> =20
>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ISOC-Survey-Canada
>>=20
>> =20
>> If you are interested, you should be able to spend some time as a =
volunteer helping to shape the future for the Internet Society's Chapter =
activities in Canada. This means taking part in discussions and =
(online)-meetings that cover what role the Chapter should have in =
Canada, what activities it should undertake to advance the ISOC mission, =
how it can best serve it=92s membership and how it can become a true =
=91multi-stakeholder=92 group. It takes time and effort to run a =
successful Chapter and a strong team is therefore needed, ideally =
composed of individuals from many different stakeholder organizations.
>>=20
>> =20
>> FYI, this email has been sent to all Internet Society members in =
Canada, including members of the ISOC Qu=E9bec Chapter as their feedback =
is equally important.
>>=20
>> =20
>> Please feel free to share this link with other Canadians who could =
have an interest in becoming part of this initiative. This is an open =
and consultative process with an invitation to all those interested to =
join the discussion. Please invite other stakeholders to join the =
Internet Society - membership is free and you can sign up to be a part =
of this discussion at : =
https://portal.isoc.org/EBusiness/NewMemberStepOne.aspx.
>>=20
>> =20
>> Let me also use this opportunity to highlight the purpose and scope =
of ISOC Chapters as described in our policies =
(https://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/start/chapter-formati=
on-policies) :
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>> =95 Purpose of Chapters
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>> Chapters of the Internet Society are expected to serve the interests =
of a segment of the global Internet community in a manner consistent =
with themission and principles of the Internet Society. Through a =
presence local to its community of interest, a Chapter focuses on issues =
and developments important to its community. A Chapter recognizes, =
honours, and uses the culture, customs, and language of its community. =
Every Chapter shall have an explicit statement of purpose.
>>=20
>> =20
>> =95 Scope of Chapters
>>=20
>> Chapters may be established on a non-exclusive basis to serve the =
needs of any specific, cohesive community of interest. Multiple Chapters =
serving overlapping communities are not permitted.
>>=20
>> Please contact <chapter-support@isoc.org> should you have any =
questions.
>>=20
>> =20
>> Thank you for your support of the Internet Society.
>>=20
>> =20
>> Best regards,
>>=20
>> Sabrina Wilmot
>> Manager, Chapter Formation
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>> Internet Society
>> http://www.internetsociety.org
>> http://www.twitter.com/internetsociety
>> http://www.youtube.com/internetsocietyvideo
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>> Em: evan at telly dot org
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"><div>Michael, </div><div><br></div><div>I share your sentiments =
around the need (and opportunity) to "...<i style=3D"font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">lead the =
fight for a vision of how the Internet can function as a global public =
good...".</span></i></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The global =
community of digital tool users now numbers in the =
billions. </div><div><br></div><div>The stakes around Internet =
governance are huge for this community, yet the dominant players at the =
table are still governments and =
industries.</div><div><br></div><div>Most Canadian ICT users continue to =
put their faith in their government and their industry to advance their =
interests.</div><div><br></div><div>Such is our character, in this case =
to our detriment.</div><div><br></div><div><div>We merely invite more of =
the same incompetence (from government) and self-serving abuse (from =
industry) that has left Canada trailing the pack in leveraging digital =
tools for economic and social =
development.</div><div><br></div></div><div><div>Massively centralized =
industries and institutions are legacies of the Industrial =
Age.</div><div><br></div><div>They are neither incentivized nor =
positioned to provide the massively <i>de</i>centralized leadership =
we will require in the Intelligent Age.</div><div><br></div><div>It is =
not in their DNA.</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>Engaging =
industry directly is a waste of time and energy, as they are consumed by =
their efforts to prop up and protect an unsustainable status =
quo.</div><div><br></div><div>There is always <i>something</i> to be =
gained from engaging government, but for now it is difficult to justify =
the effort.</div><div><br></div><div>The government remains far too =
captive to industry and investor interests to respond meaningfully and =
substantively.</div><div><br></div><div>I believe that engaging the user =
community directly will be the most effective way to foster the =
leadership and build the leverage we will =
need.</div><div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>TC and ISOC are =
just two of many civil society organizations (CSOs) that strive to =
provide guidance and leadership relevant to the Digital =
Age.</div><div><br></div><div>However, none of these CSOs will be nearly =
as effective as we need them to be until they have a strong and =
unambiguous mandate from civil society =
itself.</div></div><div><br></div><div>They must =
have <u>numbers</u>, the kind of numbers only the community of =
digital tool users can provide.</div><div><br></div></div><div>The =
challenge is to rally this community to the =
cause.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>In discussions and =
deliberations relating to the structure, operation and governance of =
telecom networks and operating protocols, I routinely leverage the =
motorist as a proxy for the digital tool =
user.</div><div><br></div><div>=46rom my home or place of business, I =
can use my personal vehicles (devices) to access almost any other home =
or place of business on the continent by way of public road networks, =
while barely having to think about how to access and use these =
networks.</div><div><br></div><div>I can do much the same on the =
continent of Europe or the continent of Australia, and the remaining =
populated continents become increasingly amenable to such activity day =
by day. </div><div><br></div><div>Public road networks and =
protocols for using them are generally designed to make it as easy as =
possible for you, me and everyone else to create value for ourselves and =
for each other.</div><div><br></div><div>They provide us with a broad =
and highly transparent platform for value creation, which we only become =
really conscious of when it fails us in some =
way.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>We need broadband networks =
and protocols that provide for digital tool users what public road =
networks and protocols have long been providing for =
motorists.</div><div><div><br></div></div><div>This is the vision that =
guides my thinking and actions in the challenge to develop broadband =
networks and the Internet as public =
goods. </div><div><br></div><div>If there is to be substantive =
dialog between TC, ISOC and any other CSOs around meeting this =
leadership challenge, let it be around the need and the opportunity to =
enrol the community of digital tool users in the =
effort.</div><div><br></div><div>Toward this end, the attached document =
outlines a potential solution that builds on the powerful analogy with =
motorists.</div><div><br></div><div>I have circulated the document in =
this forum before, but I thought it might be timely to run it up the =
flagpole again and see if anyone salutes it (or burns =
it).</div><div><br></div><div>We need to be doing <i>something</i> far =
more effective than we are today, and I think the solution lies =
with the user =
community. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>James</div><div><=
br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=
<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On 2012-12-20, at 9:15 AM, "<a =
href=3D"mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca">garykenward@eastlink.ca</a>" =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca">garykenward@eastlink.ca</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
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charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>So am =
I.</div><div><br></div><div>I would also like to see a position from the =
Canadian Internet tech communities. Hopefully, a constructive, inclusive =
actionable position.</div><div>There is much work to be =
done.</div><div><br>On 2012-12-20, at 10:11, michael gurstein <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> =
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class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Thanks Gary,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">I guess what I'ld be interested in is their/ISOC's =
response to=85<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">But now that the smoke is clearing and hopefully =
for some at least, the fog is lifting there is now a very significant =
role for the technical community and CS (in their respective roles and =
hopefully as a united coalition of coalitions) to articulate and lead =
the fight for a vision of how the Internet can function as a global =
public good (as opposed to a battlefield of multiple private interests) =
and what the governance structure (or process) for such a beast might =
look like.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span></i></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><div =
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&=
quot;"> <a href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca">advisors-admin@tc.ca</a> =
[<a href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca">mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary W Kenward<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December =
20, 2012 12:33 AM<br><b>Cc:</b> Advisors Advisors<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society =
activities in Canada: Expression of interest + =
survey<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> The ISOC Canada chapter is still in the =
process of formation. The charter is still being refined in response to =
discussions with ISOC. I will communicate, when I can, any significant =
and relevant progress in this regard. I am also willing to answer any =
questions related to the formation of the chapter, if I feel I =
can.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> Any =
and all statements regarding WCIT and Internet Governance would be my =
own opinion and nothing more. However, as the act of proffering them =
might lead some to mistakenly believe that my statements represent ISOC =
Canada positions, I must, for once, refrain from offering those =
opinions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> I would recommend asking someone from =
ISOC to share their view on WCIT and Internet Governance. Sally =
Wentworth was in Dubai and did an excellent job of reporting on the =
conference - before, during and after - to the ISOC mailing list. There =
is also the ISOC statement concerning the outcome of WCIT available =
at <a =
href=3D"http://www.internetsociety.org/news/internet-society-disappointed-=
over-fundamental-divides-world-conference-international">http://www.intern=
etsociety.org/news/internet-society-disappointed-over-fundamental-divides-=
world-conference-international</a>.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Gary<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:#511989"><br>-----------------------------------------------</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#008E00">To introduce something altogether new would mean =
to begin all over, to become ignorant again, and to run the old, =
old risk of failing to learn.</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;color:#008E00"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Lucida =
Console";color:#919191"> - Isaac Asimov</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Lucida =
Console";color:#008E00"> </span><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida =
Console";color:#919191"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida =
Console";color:#919191"> </span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span =
style=3D"font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#9C1800">The information =
contained in this document is private and confidential.</span></i><span =
style=3D"font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">On 2012.12.19, at 2:15 PM, michael gurstein <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Sorry to be coming in late in this discussion but =
I've been following the WCIT discussions quite closely including the =
role of ISOC.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
=
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">I guess I'm of two minds on the issue of TC and =
ISOC. On the one hand I agree with the overall general objectives =
of ISOC and particularly concerning the promotion of the Internet. On =
the other hand I have some significant concerns in what role ISOC sees =
for itself in the broad area of Internet Governance and particularly how =
it sees itself in relation to those who refused to sign the overall WCIT =
resolution (basically the US and its allies) and in that context how it =
sees its role going forward.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">I've discussed my thoughts on this in several blog =
posts and most recently in an extended email (immediately below) that I =
sent to the "Governance" list (of the civil society component of the =
Internet Governance Forum). I would be very interested to have =
Gary and Evan as ISOC Canada proponents =
respond. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Please note that I'm really concerned to discuss =
how ISOC (and others in the technical community) see their role going =
forward as, as seems likely, issues of Internet Governance are going to =
be front and centre for ISOC and civil society in this area for the =
foreseeable future.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">--------------------------------------------</span><=
o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">From: michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein@<a =
href=3D"http://gmail.com/"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">gmail.com</span></a>]</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:07 =
AM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">To:<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</span></a></span><o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Subject: Values vs. Interests in =
IG</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">I think now that the smoke from Dubai is starting =
to clear a little, perhaps it would be a good idea for some of the fog =
to lift as well.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">It seems to me that basic to some of the broad =
base of confusion(s) which seemingly were at play in Dubai (and =
certainly were pervasive for those who weren't there on the ground) is a =
fundamental (and to a very considerable degree--manufactured) confusion =
between "interests" and "values".</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">The quote (variously attributed to von Clausewitz, =
Palmerston and Anon) that "States don't have friends, they have =
interests", probably should be updated in the context of a (Facebook et =
al) broad redefinition of the nature of "friends"--to the phrase "States =
don't have values, they have =
interests"..</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">To me, that pretty much sums up the posing and =
play acting that went on in Dubai and particularly frames a useful (i.e. =
fog free) understanding of the outcome. Clearly (to my mind at =
least) the US and others in the (Internet) Freedom League were promoting =
fairly specific commercial/national "interests" (security, trade, =
capital and revenue flows, profits, tax regimes etc.etc.) under =
the broad guise of Internet Freedom/Hands off the Internet. To my =
mind nothing particularly surprising about that (the obverse at least =
for me would have been the =
surprise). </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Equally of course, the guys in the black hats on =
the other side were pursuing national "interests" --security, trade, =
capital and revenue flows, profits, tax regimes etc.etc.--but as seen by =
and supportive of their team/errr side/errr coalition of the signers... =
nothing surprising about this either, and again one would be surprised =
if it wasn't thus.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">However, what is surprising is the way in which =
the (Internet) Freedom League was able to frame the discussion (they =
have been reading their Lakoff) so decisively as being one of (their) =
"good" values vs. the others "bad" =
interests!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Where this gets even more surprising and foggy is =
why the technical community and civil society chose to take sides in =
this arena rather than siding for the Internet (and the "values" that =
both, but particularly the technical community so vigourously and widely =
have been espousing). </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Rather than for example, arguing for the Internet =
as a global public good and for the development of arrangements and =
mechanisms to ensure the continuity and development of the Internet in =
the global public interest, for whatever reason they (both the technical =
community and CS) chose to get lost in the fog of battle and accept the =
public declarations of the purity of the "values" of one side, over the =
rather inept if rather more honest declarations of "Interests" (in WCIT =
outcomes and ultimately in the operation of the Internet) by the other =
side. (The role of the ITU in all this as a slightly disingenuous =
"honest broker" is to my mind largely beside the point in this follow on =
discussion.)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">But now that the smoke is clearing and hopefully =
for some at least, the fog is lifting there is now a very significant =
role for the technical community and CS (in their respective roles and =
hopefully as a united coalition of coalitions) to articulate and lead =
the fight for a vision of how the Internet can function as a global =
public good (as opposed to a battlefield of multiple private interests) =
and what the governance structure (or process) for such a beast might =
look like.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&=
quot;"> </span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&=
quot;"><a href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">advisors-admin@tc.ca</span></a><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:advisors-<a =
href=3D"mailto:admin@tc.ca"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">admin@tc.ca</span></a>]<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Gary W =
Kenward<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, December 06, 2012 =
7:45 AM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Evan =
Leibovitch<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Gareth Shearman; Thompson, =
Darlene; Garth Graham; Advisors Advisors<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Advisors] Internet =
Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + =
survey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Actually, there are two.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Gary<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom:13.5pt"><b><i><span =
style=3D"font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif""><br><br><br><br></span></i></b><o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span =
style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#9C1800">THE INFORMATION CONTAINED =
IN THIS DOCUMENT IS PRIVATE AND =
CONFIDENTIAL.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">On 2012.12.03, at 6:35 PM, Evan Leibovitch <<a =
href=3D"mailto:evan@telly.org"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">evan@telly.org</span></a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">BTW, one of the organizers of the chapter is =
subscribed here. ;-) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">So if you have any questions, ask =
away!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">- Evan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">On 30 November 2012 12:03, Gareth Shearman <<a =
href=3D"mailto:shearman@victoria.tc.ca" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">shearman@victoria.tc.ca</span></a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sorry - I =
meant an individual member of ISOC, not =
ICANN!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#888888">Gareth</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">On 2012-11-30, at 5:55 AM, Thompson, Darlene =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">That=92s great, =
Gareth,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">=46rom my personal POV, I have no interest in =
creating a regional chapter =96 but that is because Nunavut is so =
small. I am thinking that getting behind a Canada-wide chapter at =
this time would be in our best interests and then, later, should we =
choose, creating regional chapters once we get the Canada chapter =
going.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">I have also put N-CAP in as a supporter and =
answered the survey.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Btw =96 Gareth, you are not an individual member =
of =93ICANN=94 as ICANN has no membership as such. However, you =
are Chair of an ALS that belongs to the NARALO. If your ALS is =
part of the NARALO, you cannot be an individual rep with the RALO at the =
same time. Just clarifying!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">D</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:maroon">Darlene A. =
Thompson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">Community Access Program =
Administrator</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">Nunavut Dept. of Education / =
N-CAP</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">P.O. Box 1000, Station =
910</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">Iqaluit, NU X0A =
0H0</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">Phone: <span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"tel:%28867%29%20975-5631" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">(867) =
975-5631</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">Fax: <span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"tel:%28867%29%20975-5610" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">(867) =
975-5610</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">E-mail:</span><span lang=3D"FR"=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old =
Face","serif";color:#333300"> </span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old =
Face","serif";color:#333300"><a =
href=3D"mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"FR" =
style=3D"color:purple">dthompson@gov.nu.ca</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p=
></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 3.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;z-index:auto"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&=
quot;"> Gareth Shearman [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:shearman@victoria.tc.ca" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">shearman@victoria.tc.ca</span></a>] <br><b>Sen=
t:</b> Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:43 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Thompson, Darlene<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Garth =
Graham'; Advisors Advisors<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Advisors] Fwd: =
Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + =
survey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">I am also an individual member of ICANN and =
therefore received the same announcement that Garth shared with the =
group.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">I have already indicated my interest to Glenn and =
Evan who are involved with the group wanting to see a Canadian ISOC =
chapter.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Given that the group doesn't seem to have any =
objection I will identify myself as a member of TC when I complete the =
survey.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Is there enough interest in the various regions to =
have regional chapters, not just a national =
one?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Gareth<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">On 2012-11-29, at 11:13 AM, Thompson, Darlene =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Hiya Garth,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">This has been discussed in the ICANN circles for a =
while now and I am very eager to see this move forward. I will =
also support this from my end (through my non-profit). I am =
thinking, however, that since Gareth is our President and also involved =
with ICANN that it may be better for these e-mails to be vetted through =
him and supported by the President of our =
Society.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">Just my two cents =
worth.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D">D</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:maroon">Darlene A. =
Thompson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">Community Access Program =
Administrator</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">Nunavut Dept. of Education / =
N-CAP</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">P.O. Box 1000, Station =
910</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">Iqaluit, NU X0A =
0H0</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">Phone: <span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"tel:%28867%29%20975-5631" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">(867) =
975-5631</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">Fax: <span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"tel:%28867%29%20975-5610" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">(867) =
975-5610</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Goudy Old =
Style","serif";color:green">E-mail:</span><span lang=3D"FR"=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old =
Face","serif";color:#333300"> </span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Baskerville Old =
Face","serif";color:#333300"><a =
href=3D"mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"FR" =
style=3D"color:purple">dthompson@gov.nu.ca</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p=
></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif=
";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 3.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&=
quot;"> <a href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">advisors-admin@tc.ca</span></a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca</span></a>] <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Garth Graham<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November =
29, 2012 12:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> Advisors =
Advisors<br><b>Subject:</b> [Advisors] Fwd: Internet Society =
activities in Canada: Expression of interest + =
survey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">An objections to or comment re my identifying myself =
as TC in this context?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">GG<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-ser=
if"">From: </span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-ser=
if"">"Internet Society" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">chapter-support@isoc.org</span></a>></span><o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-ser=
if"">Subject: Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of =
interest + survey</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-ser=
if"">Date: </span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-ser=
if"">29 November, 2012 8:14:28 AM =
PST</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-ser=
if"">To: </span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-ser=
if""><<a href=3D"mailto:garth.graham@telus.net" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">garth.graham@telus.net</span></a>></span><o:p></=
o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-ser=
if"">Reply-To: </span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-ser=
if"">"None"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p><strong><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">Dear Garth Graham,</span></strong><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">You are receiving this message as a member of the Internet =
Society (ISOC) in Canada. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">The Internet Society is exploring the possible creation of new =
ISOC Chapters in Canada, either as province/territory based Chapters or =
as a larger Chapter. The motivation for this is to provide enhanced =
opportunities for ISOC members to become involved in issues important to =
their local community. You might be aware that there is only =
one ISOC Chapter in Canada, namely in Qu=E9bec (<a =
href=3D"http://www.isocquebec.org/" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">http://www.isocquebec.org</span></a>), at the =
moment. Other ISOC Chapters in Canada went dormant and were closed. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">The good news is that a new group has emerged looking into the =
formation of a new Chapter in Canada (see <a =
href=3D"http://isoccanada.pbworks.com/" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">http://isoccanada.pbworks.com</span></a>).</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><strong><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">WE NEED YOUR HELP</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">This email is a request for "Expressions of Interest" and to =
invite you to help us create more Internet Society Chapter(s) in Canada. =
I would thus like to invite you to complete a <strong><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">short =
survey before Dec 16, =
2012</span></strong> :</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> <a href=3D"https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ISOC-Survey-Canada"=
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ISOC-Survey-Canada</=
span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">If you are interested, you should be able to spend some time as a =
volunteer helping to shape the future for the Internet Society's =
Chapter activities in Canada. This means taking part in discussions =
and (online)-meetings that cover what role the Chapter should have in =
Canada, what activities it should undertake to advance the ISOC mission, =
how it can best serve it=92s membership and how it can become a =
true =91multi-stakeholder=92 group. It takes time and effort to run =
a successful Chapter and a strong team is therefore needed, ideally =
composed of individuals from many different stakeholder =
organizations.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">FYI, this email has been sent to all Internet Society members in =
Canada, including members of the ISOC Qu=E9bec Chapter as their feedback =
is equally important.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">Please feel free to share this link with other Canadians who =
could have an interest in becoming part of this initiative. This is =
an open and consultative process with an invitation to all those =
interested to join the discussion. Please invite other =
stakeholders to join the Internet Society - membership is free and you =
can sign up to be a part of this discussion at : <a =
href=3D"https://portal.isoc.org/EBusiness/NewMemberStepOne.aspx" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">https://portal.isoc.org/EBusiness/NewMemberStepOne.=
aspx</span></a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">Let me also use this opportunity to highlight the purpose and =
scope of ISOC Chapters as described in our policies (<a =
href=3D"https://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters/start/chapter-=
formation-policies" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">https://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/chapters=
/start/chapter-formation-policies</span></a>) =
:</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">=95 <strong><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Purpose=
of Chapters</span></strong></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">Chapters of the Internet Society are expected to serve the =
interests of a segment of the global Internet community in a manner =
consistent with themission and principles of the Internet Society. =
Through a presence local to its community of interest, a Chapter focuses =
on issues and developments important to its community. A Chapter =
recognizes, honours, and uses the culture, customs, and language of =
its community. Every Chapter shall have an explicit statement of =
purpose.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">=95 <strong><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Scope =
of Chapters</span></strong></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">Chapters may be established on a non-exclusive basis to serve the =
needs of any specific, cohesive community of interest. Multiple Chapters =
serving overlapping communities are not =
permitted.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">Please contact <<a href=3D"mailto:chapter-support@isoc.org" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">chapter-support@isoc.org</span></a>> should =
you have any questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">Thank you for your support of the Internet =
Society.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3=
33333">Sabrina Wilmot<br>Manager, Chapter =
Formation<br>-------------------------------------------<br>Internet =
Society<br><a href=3D"http://www.internetsociety.org/" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">http://www.internetsociety.org</span></a><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.twitter.com/internetsociety" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">http://www.twitter.com/internetsociety</span></a><b=
r><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/internetsocietyvideo" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:purple">http://www.youtube.com/internetsocietyvideo</span><=
/a><br>--------------------------------------------<br> </span><o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br clear=3D"all"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Evan Leibovitch<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Toronto Canada<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D"margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-botto=
m:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Em: evan at telly dot =
org<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sk: =
evanleibovitch<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tw: =
el56<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
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class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:13.5pt"><b><i><span =
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font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
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style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#9C1800">THE INFORMATION CONTAINED =
IN THIS DOCUMENT IS PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL.</span></i></b><span =
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