Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
Peter Frampton
pframpton at lefca.org
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A role for TC?
I think so=20
I too Remember this from a few years ago and could imagine some foundations f=
unding this as a social enterprise=20
Thanks for running it up the flag pole ... Again!
Paf (please excuse the thumbs)
On 2012-12-21, at 11:52 PM, "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> I must say I like your idea on this James=E2=80=A6 Not sure I have any tim=
e/energy to put in to develop it, but I'ld pay $20 a year as a sort of insur=
ance if I had access to the digital equivalent of road side service on call.=
(I need something right now=E2=80=A6 :(
> =20
> I think it could fly with enough marketing push=E2=80=A6
> =20
> M
> =20
> From: James Van Leeuwen [mailto:jvl@ventus.ca]=20
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:06 PM
> To: michael gurstein
> Cc: garykenward@eastlink.ca; Evan Leibovitch; advisors@tc.ca
> Subject: Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Societ=
y activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
> =20
> Michael,
> =20
> implementation begins with crafting simple, consistent and compelling valu=
e propositions to digital tool users (instead of advocacy positions for gove=
rnment or industry).
> =20
> Doing this right will mean not just membership in large numbers, but subst=
antial operating revenue from membership fees.
> =20
> For convenience, assume there were ten million digital tool users in Canad=
a (conservative).
> =20
> Assume that one percent of these were willing to spend $10 for an annual m=
embership (100,000 members).
> =20
> How much impact could a national 'Digital User Club' have with an operatin=
g budget of $1 million, given the enormous leverage of the Internet for enga=
ging and serving ICT users?
> =20
> Assume the Club excelled in fulfilling its mandate to its members, and aft=
er ten years there were five million Canadians paying $20 for an annual memb=
ership.
> =20
> How much impact could the Club have with an operating budget of $100 milli=
on?
> =20
> =20
> That's the kind of serious leadership clout Canada is going to need to cat=
ch up with the world and get back in the lead.
> =20
> The $1 million and $100 million revenue figures are both realistic objecti=
ves for three-year and ten-year growth plans.
> =20
> By comparison, the Canadian Automobile Association now serves 5.6 million m=
embers through nine regional auto clubs which collectively operate 140 offic=
es across the country.
> =20
> For every dozen people on this email distribution, there should be an aver=
age of two CAA members.=20
> =20
> I am one myself.
> =20
> =20
> =20
> What value propositions did Auto Clubs offer to early motorists?
> =20
> These clubs emerged in abundance just over a century ago, generally to add=
ress the need for better road networks and better protocols for using road n=
etworks (rules of the road, including speed limits).
> =20
> They really took off when Ford began producing the Model T (1908), because=
motoring suddenly became affordable for a much greater percentage of the po=
pulation (strong parallel to proliferation of ICT).=20
> =20
> Club activities focused on lobbying local and senior governments for more i=
nvestment in new and better roads (as we need with broadband), and lobbying a=
utomobile industries to adopt more and better design and manufacturing stand=
ards (as we need for ICT).=20
> =20
> Key issues with the auto industry were enabling interchangeability of part=
s (standards), improving overall reliability, and reducing the overall costs=
of owning and operating automobiles (as we need with ICT - I'm sick of repl=
acing defunct batteries).
> =20
> Auto Clubs pioneered the fields of automobile damage and liability insuran=
ce, which remain key sources of revenue for them (--> lower risk and cost of=
ownership).
> =20
> They also pioneered roadside assistance, which I've used at least half a d=
ozen times in my thirty-five years of driving (--> lower operating risk).=20=
> =20
> In climates like ours, this service alone is worth the cost of my annual C=
AA membership.
> =20
> Imagine the same for ICT, with on-site diagnostics and repairs, including r=
eplacing dead batteries (seriously).
> =20
> I don't want to have to book an appointment with a 'genius' at the Apple S=
tore.=20
> =20
> In my hour of need, I want technical support to come to me.=20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> Many local and regional associations were initially called Good Road Assoc=
iations, and today there are slightly different organizations that now opera=
te under the same name.=20
> =20
> They generally serve the interests of municipal governments, rather than d=
irectly serving the interests of motorists.
> =20
> It didn't take long for governments to recognize the value of more and bet=
ter roads to improving liberty, security and prosperity, and they understand=
ably became a high priority in government affairs.
> =20
> They remain so to this day, and broadband networks will eventually enjoy s=
imilar status.=20
> =20
> =20
> As road networks and protocols improved and motoring became commonplace, A=
uto Clubs grew and amalgamated, and broadened the scope of their activities.=
=20
> =20
> Their emphasis shifted from improving road networks and protocols to impro=
ving design and operation of automobiles, with security as their overarching=
objective (motoring is still a leading cause of death and injury).
> =20
> We can thank Auto Clubs for driving industry adoption of seatbelts, and mo=
re recently, for driving government adoption of mandatory seatbelt legislati=
on.
> =20
> Most recently, they have played central roles in driving government adopti=
on of distracted driving legislation.
> =20
> There are similar needs for ICT users, as the Amanda Todd story powerfully=
illustrates.=20
> =20
> Cyberbullying can have tragic consequences.=20
> =20
> So can cyberfraud.=20
> =20
> =20
> I drafted that eCitizen Club discussion paper more than three years ago.
> =20
> The document could use some revision, but the basic concept makes even mor=
e sense to me now than it did back then.=20
> =20
> I have since lost virtually all confidence in the leadership abilities of g=
overnment and industry for advancing digital economy and society in Canada.=20=
> =20
> They cannot lead effectively, and if I could wave a magic wand and conjure=
the leadership I think we require, it would look a lot like the eCitizen Cl=
ub as I envision it.=20
> =20
> The best I can do for now is stimulate interest and dialog around the idea=
, in the hope of shaping it into something actionable.
> =20
> It's up the flagpole...=20
> =20
> James
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> On 2012-12-21, at 4:28 PM, "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> =20
> Thanks James, yes I remember reading this earlier=E2=80=A6 It is a very in=
teresting idea but I have no idea how one would go about implementing it=E2=80=
=A6 and to some degree it is what ISOC is attempting to do=E2=80=A6
> =20
> M
> =20
> From: James Van Leeuwen [mailto:jvl@ventus.ca]=20
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 6:52 AM
> To: garykenward@eastlink.ca; michael gurstein; advisors@tc.ca; Evan Leibov=
itch
> Subject: Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Societ=
y activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
> =20
> Forgot the attachment (thanks Michael)
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>A role for TC?</div><div>I think so&nb=
sp;</div><div><br></div><div>I too Remember this from a few years ago and co=
uld imagine some foundations funding this as a social enterprise </div>=
<div><br></div><div>Thanks for running it up the flag pole ... Again!<br><br=
>Paf (please excuse the thumbs)</div><div><br>On 2012-12-21, at 11:52 PM, "m=
ichael gurstein" <<a href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.co=
m</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equi=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&qu=
ot;sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I must say I like your idea on this James=
=E2=80=A6 Not sure I have any time/energy to put in to develop it, but I'ld p=
ay $20 a year as a sort of insurance if I had access to the digital equivale=
nt of road side service on call. (I need something right now=E2=80=A6 :( <o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think=
it could fly with enough marketing push=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri&=
quot;,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri=
","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
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t;,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><d=
iv style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in=
0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> James=
Van Leeuwen [<a href=3D"mailto:jvl@ventus.ca">mailto:jvl@ventus.ca</a>] <br=
><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 21, 2012 8:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurste=
in<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca">garykenward@east=
link.ca</a>; Evan Leibovitch; <a href=3D"mailto:advisors@tc.ca">advisors@tc.=
ca</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] I=
nternet Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey<o:p></=
o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">implementation be=
gins with crafting simple, consistent and compelling value propositions to d=
igital tool users (instead of advocacy positions for government or industry)=
.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Doing this right will mean not just membership i=
n large numbers, but substantial operating revenue from membership fees.<o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">For convenience, assume there were ten million digit=
al tool users in Canada (conservative).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Assume th=
at one percent of these were willing to spend $10 for an annual membership (=
100,000 members).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> =
;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">How much impact could a nationa=
l 'Digital User Club' have with an operating budget of $1 million, given the=
enormous leverage of the Internet for engaging and serving ICT users?<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">Assume the Club excelled in fulfilling its mandate to i=
ts members, and after ten years there were five million Canadians paying $20=
for an annual membership.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">How much impact could t=
he Club have with an operating budget of $100 million?<o:p></o:p></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">That's the kind=
of serious leadership clout Canada is going to need to catch up with the wo=
rld and get back in the lead.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The $1 million and $=
100 million revenue figures are both realistic objectives for three-year and=
ten-year growth plans.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p=
> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">By comparison, the Canadi=
an Automobile Association now serves 5.6 million members through nine region=
al auto clubs which collectively operate 140 offices across the country.<o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">For every dozen people on this email distribution, t=
here should be an average of two CAA members. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">I am one myself.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">What value propositions did Auto Clubs offer to early motorists?<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal">These clubs emerged in abundance just over a century ag=
o, generally to address the need for better road networks and better protoco=
ls for using road networks (rules of the road, including speed limits).<o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">They really took off when Ford began producing the Mo=
del T (1908), because motoring suddenly became affordable for a much greater=
percentage of the population (strong parallel to proliferation of ICT).&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Club activities focused on lobbying local and s=
enior governments for more investment in new and better roads (as we need wi=
th broadband), and lobbying automobile industries to adopt more and better d=
esign and manufacturing standards (as we need for ICT). <o:p></o:p></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Key issues with the auto industry were enabling interchangeabili=
ty of parts (standards), improving overall reliability, and reducing the ove=
rall costs of owning and operating automobiles (as we need with ICT - I'm si=
ck of replacing defunct batteries).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Auto Clubs pi=
oneered the fields of automobile damage and liability insurance, which remai=
n key sources of revenue for them (--> lower risk and cost of ownership).=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div>=
<div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">They also pioneered roadside assistance, wh=
ich I've used at least half a dozen times in my thirty-five years of driving=
(--> lower operating risk). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In climates=
like ours, this service alone is worth the cost of my annual CAA membership=
.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Imagine the same for ICT, with on-site diagnost=
ics and repairs, including replacing dead batteries (seriously).<o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">I don't want to have to book an appointment with a 'genius' a=
t the Apple Store. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:=
p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In my hour of need, I wa=
nt technical support to come to <b><i>me</i></b>. <o:p></o:p></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o=
:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Many local and regional association=
s were initially called Good Road Associations, and today there are slightly=
different organizations that now operate under the same name. <o:p></o=
:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">They generally serve the interests of municipal governmen=
ts, rather than directly serving the interests of motorists.<o:p></o:p></p><=
/div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">It didn't take long for governments to recognize the value=
of more and better roads to improving liberty, security and prosperity, and=
they understandably became a high priority in government affairs.<o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">They remain so to this day, and broadband networks wi=
ll eventually enjoy similar status. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">As road networks and prot=
ocols improved and motoring became commonplace, Auto Clubs grew and amalgama=
ted, and broadened the scope of their activities. <o:p></o:p></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Their emphasis shifted from improving road networks and protocol=
s to improving design and operation of automobiles, with security as their o=
verarching objective (motoring is still a leading cause of death and injury)=
.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">We can thank Auto Clubs for driving industry ad=
option of seatbelts, and more recently, for driving government adoption of m=
andatory seatbelt legislation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Most recently, the=
y have played central roles in driving government adoption of distracted dri=
ving legislation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> =
;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There are similar needs for ICT=
users, as the Amanda Todd story powerfully illustrates. <o:p></o:p></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Cyberbullying can have tragic consequences. <o:p></o:p></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">So can cyberfraud. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> <=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I drafted that eCitizen Club disc=
ussion paper more than three years ago.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The docum=
ent could use some revision, but the basic concept makes even more sense to m=
e now than it did back then. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have since l=
ost virtually all confidence in the leadership abilities of government and i=
ndustry for advancing digital economy and society in Canada. <o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">They cannot lead effectively, and if I could wave a magic w=
and and conjure the leadership I think we require, it would look a lot like t=
he eCitizen Club as I envision it. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The best I=
can do for now is stimulate interest and dialog around the idea, in the hop=
e of shaping it into something actionable.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It's u=
p the flagpole... <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p=
> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">James<o:p></o:p></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </=
o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=
</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 2012-12-21, at 4:28 PM, "=
michael gurstein" <<a href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.c=
om</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></=
o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D">Thanks James, yes I remember reading this earlier=E2=80=A6 It is a very i=
nteresting idea but I have no idea how one would go about implementing it=E2=
=80=A6 and to some degree it is what ISOC is attempting to do=E2=80=A6</span=
><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">=
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col=
or:#1F497D">M</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style=3D"bord=
er:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahom=
a","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class=3D"apple-convert=
ed-space"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",&qu=
ot;sans-serif""> </span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">James Van Leeuwen [mailt=
o:jvl@<a href=3D"http://ventus.ca"><span style=3D"color:purple">ventus.ca</s=
pan></a>]<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b>=
<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, December 21, 2012=
6:52 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a h=
ref=3D"mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca"><span style=3D"color:purple">garykenw=
ard@eastlink.ca</span></a>; michael gurstein;<span class=3D"apple-converted-=
space"> </span><a href=3D"mailto:advisors@tc.ca"><span style=3D"color:p=
urple">advisors@tc.ca</span></a>; Evan Leibovitch<br><b>Subject:</b><span cl=
ass=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Values vs. Interests in IG wa=
s RE: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of intere=
st + survey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Forgot the at=
tachment (thanks Michael)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></body></html>=
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