Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
michael gurstein
gurstein at gmail.com
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My thought would be to do up a partnership on something like this with
http://freegeekvancouver.org/ or http://www.vcn.bc.ca (or both) who have the
right values and the expertise. Maybe tieing it in with CED folks where
there isn't the local equivalent of a Free Geeks but then have Free Geeks do
the training/mentoring.
I haven't been in touch with FreeGeeks for a couple of years (VCN more
recently) but it wouldn't be that difficult to re-establish a connection and
initiate some discussions if someone had a detailed plan (with some
financials.
M
From: Marita Moll [mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:07 AM
To: Gareth Shearman
Cc: James Van Leeuwen; michael gurstein; garykenward@eastlink.ca; 'Evan
Leibovitch'; advisors@tc.ca
Subject: Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society
activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
I love the practicality of it. Gathering people together around something
they want and need would be to follow in the footsteps of every cooperative
on the planet.
I still think that such an endeavour would benefit from the expertise in the
Canadian community economic development network which has chapters across
the country.
http://ccednet-rcdec.ca/en/regional_networks
Marita
On 12/22/2012 3:57 AM, Gareth Shearman wrote:
It is a very interesting idea, James.
I think the parallel with the Auto clubs is a good one.
Gareth
On 2012-12-21, at 9:21 PM, James Van Leeuwen wrote:
Perhaps this is an idea that TC and ISOC might be interested to explore
collaboratively.
If there were to be such an organization, it would make sense to leverage it
for the same kind of policy advocacy that TC is already doing.
It might incorporate TC's capacities and expertise... I would like to hear
TC's thoughts around such an idea.
JvL
On 2012-12-21, at 9:52 PM, "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com> wrote:
I must say I like your idea on this James. Not sure I have any time/energy
to put in to develop it, but I'ld pay $20 a year as a sort of insurance if I
had access to the digital equivalent of road side service on call. (I need
something right now. :(
I think it could fly with enough marketing push.
M
From: James Van Leeuwen [mailto:jvl@ <http://ventus.ca/> ventus.ca]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:06 PM
To: michael gurstein
Cc: <mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca> garykenward@eastlink.ca; Evan
Leibovitch; <mailto:advisors@tc.ca> advisors@tc.ca
Subject: Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society
activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
Michael,
implementation begins with crafting simple, consistent and compelling value
propositions to digital tool users (instead of advocacy positions for
government or industry).
Doing this right will mean not just membership in large numbers, but
substantial operating revenue from membership fees.
For convenience, assume there were ten million digital tool users in Canada
(conservative).
Assume that one percent of these were willing to spend $10 for an annual
membership (100,000 members).
How much impact could a national 'Digital User Club' have with an operating
budget of $1 million, given the enormous leverage of the Internet for
engaging and serving ICT users?
Assume the Club excelled in fulfilling its mandate to its members, and after
ten years there were five million Canadians paying $20 for an annual
membership.
How much impact could the Club have with an operating budget of $100
million?
That's the kind of serious leadership clout Canada is going to need to catch
up with the world and get back in the lead.
The $1 million and $100 million revenue figures are both realistic
objectives for three-year and ten-year growth plans.
By comparison, the Canadian Automobile Association now serves 5.6 million
members through nine regional auto clubs which collectively operate 140
offices across the country.
For every dozen people on this email distribution, there should be an
average of two CAA members.
I am one myself.
What value propositions did Auto Clubs offer to early motorists?
These clubs emerged in abundance just over a century ago, generally to
address the need for better road networks and better protocols for using
road networks (rules of the road, including speed limits).
They really took off when Ford began producing the Model T (1908), because
motoring suddenly became affordable for a much greater percentage of the
population (strong parallel to proliferation of ICT).
Club activities focused on lobbying local and senior governments for more
investment in new and better roads (as we need with broadband), and lobbying
automobile industries to adopt more and better design and manufacturing
standards (as we need for ICT).
Key issues with the auto industry were enabling interchangeability of parts
(standards), improving overall reliability, and reducing the overall costs
of owning and operating automobiles (as we need with ICT - I'm sick of
replacing defunct batteries).
Auto Clubs pioneered the fields of automobile damage and liability
insurance, which remain key sources of revenue for them (--> lower risk and
cost of ownership).
They also pioneered roadside assistance, which I've used at least half a
dozen times in my thirty-five years of driving (--> lower operating risk).
In climates like ours, this service alone is worth the cost of my annual CAA
membership.
Imagine the same for ICT, with on-site diagnostics and repairs, including
replacing dead batteries (seriously).
I don't want to have to book an appointment with a 'genius' at the Apple
Store.
In my hour of need, I want technical support to come to me.
Many local and regional associations were initially called Good Road
Associations, and today there are slightly different organizations that now
operate under the same name.
They generally serve the interests of municipal governments, rather than
directly serving the interests of motorists.
It didn't take long for governments to recognize the value of more and
better roads to improving liberty, security and prosperity, and they
understandably became a high priority in government affairs.
They remain so to this day, and broadband networks will eventually enjoy
similar status.
As road networks and protocols improved and motoring became commonplace,
Auto Clubs grew and amalgamated, and broadened the scope of their
activities.
Their emphasis shifted from improving road networks and protocols to
improving design and operation of automobiles, with security as their
overarching objective (motoring is still a leading cause of death and
injury).
We can thank Auto Clubs for driving industry adoption of seatbelts, and more
recently, for driving government adoption of mandatory seatbelt legislation.
Most recently, they have played central roles in driving government adoption
of distracted driving legislation.
There are similar needs for ICT users, as the Amanda Todd story powerfully
illustrates.
Cyberbullying can have tragic consequences.
So can cyberfraud.
I drafted that eCitizen Club discussion paper more than three years ago.
The document could use some revision, but the basic concept makes even more
sense to me now than it did back then.
I have since lost virtually all confidence in the leadership abilities of
government and industry for advancing digital economy and society in Canada.
They cannot lead effectively, and if I could wave a magic wand and conjure
the leadership I think we require, it would look a lot like the eCitizen
Club as I envision it.
The best I can do for now is stimulate interest and dialog around the idea,
in the hope of shaping it into something actionable.
It's up the flagpole...
James
On 2012-12-21, at 4:28 PM, "michael gurstein" < <mailto:gurstein@gmail.com>
gurstein@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks James, yes I remember reading this earlier. It is a very interesting
idea but I have no idea how one would go about implementing it. and to some
degree it is what ISOC is attempting to do.
M
From: James Van Leeuwen [mailto:jvl@ <http://ventus.ca/> ventus.ca]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 6:52 AM
To: <mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca> garykenward@eastlink.ca; michael
gurstein; <mailto:advisors@tc.ca> advisors@tc.ca; Evan Leibovitch
Subject: Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society
activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My thought would be to do up a partnership on something like this =
with <a =
href=3D"http://freegeekvancouver.org/">http://freegeekvancouver.org/</a> =
or <a href=3D"http://www.vcn.bc.ca">http://www.vcn.bc.ca</a> (or both) =
who have the right values and the expertise… Maybe tieing it in =
with CED folks where there isn't the local equivalent of a Free Geeks =
but then have Free Geeks do the =
training/mentoring…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I haven't been in touch with FreeGeeks for a couple of years (VCN =
more recently) but it wouldn't be that difficult to re-establish a =
connection and initiate some discussions if someone had a detailed plan =
(with some financials…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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ext'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowt=
ext'> Marita Moll [mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, =
December 22, 2012 7:07 AM<br><b>To:</b> Gareth Shearman<br><b>Cc:</b> =
James Van Leeuwen; michael gurstein; garykenward@eastlink.ca; 'Evan =
Leibovitch'; advisors@tc.ca<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Values vs. Interests =
in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: =
Expression of interest + survey<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><br>I love =
the practicality of it. Gathering people together around something =
they want and need would be to follow in the footsteps of every =
cooperative on the planet. <br><br>I still think that such an =
endeavour would benefit from the expertise in the Canadian community =
economic development network which has chapters across the =
country. <br><br><a =
href=3D"http://ccednet-rcdec.ca/en/regional_networks">http://ccednet-rcde=
c.ca/en/regional_networks</a><br><br>Marita <br><br><br>On =
12/22/2012 3:57 AM, Gareth Shearman wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It is a very interesting idea, James. =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
think the parallel with the Auto clubs is a good =
one.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gareth<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
2012-12-21, at 9:21 PM, James Van Leeuwen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Perhaps this is an idea that TC and ISOC might be =
interested to explore collaboratively. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>If there were to be such an organization, it would =
make sense to leverage it for the same kind of policy advocacy that TC =
is already doing. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It might incorporate TC's capacities and expertise... =
I would like to hear TC's thoughts around such an =
idea. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>JvL<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
2012-12-21, at 9:52 PM, "michael gurstein" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I must say I like your idea on this James… Not sure I have any =
time/energy to put in to develop it, but I'ld pay $20 a year as a sort =
of insurance if I had access to the digital equivalent of road side =
service on call. (I need something right now… =
:(</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I think it could fly with enough marketing =
push…</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>M</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
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0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span=
></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>James Van =
Leeuwen [<a href=3D"mailto:jvl@">mailto:jvl@</a><a =
href=3D"http://ventus.ca/"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>ventus.ca</span></a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Friday, December 21, 2012 =
8:06 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>michael =
gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>garykenward@eastlink.ca</span></a>; Evan =
Leibovitch;<span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:advisors@tc.ca"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>advisors@tc.ca</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Re: Values vs. Interests in =
IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression =
of interest + survey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Michael,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>implementation begins with crafting simple, consistent =
and compelling value propositions to digital tool users (instead of =
advocacy positions for government or =
industry).<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Doing this right will mean not just membership in =
large numbers, but substantial operating revenue from membership =
fees.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>For convenience, assume there were ten million digital =
tool users in Canada =
(conservative).<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Assume that one percent of these were willing to spend =
$10 for an annual membership (100,000 =
members).<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>How much impact could a national 'Digital User Club' =
have with an operating budget of $1 million, given the enormous leverage =
of the Internet for engaging and serving ICT =
users?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Assume the Club excelled in fulfilling its mandate to =
its members, and after ten years there were five million Canadians =
paying $20 for an annual =
membership.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>How much impact could the Club have with an operating =
budget of $100 million?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>That's the kind of serious leadership clout Canada is =
going to need to catch up with the world and get back in the =
lead.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The $1 million and $100 million revenue figures are =
both realistic objectives for three-year and ten-year growth =
plans.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>By comparison, the Canadian Automobile Association now =
serves 5.6 million members through nine regional auto clubs which =
collectively operate 140 offices across the =
country.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>For every dozen people on this email distribution, =
there should be an average of two CAA =
members. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I am one =
myself.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>What value propositions did Auto Clubs offer to early =
motorists?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>These clubs emerged in abundance just over a century =
ago, generally to address the need for better road networks and better =
protocols for using road networks (rules of the road, including speed =
limits).<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>They really took off when Ford began producing the =
Model T (1908), because motoring suddenly became affordable for a much =
greater percentage of the population (strong parallel to proliferation =
of ICT). <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Club activities focused on lobbying local and senior =
governments for more investment in new and better roads (as we need with =
broadband), and lobbying automobile industries to adopt more and better =
design and manufacturing standards (as we need for =
ICT). <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Key issues with the auto industry were enabling =
interchangeability of parts (standards), improving overall reliability, =
and reducing the overall costs of owning and operating automobiles (as =
we need with ICT - I'm sick of replacing defunct =
batteries).<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Auto Clubs pioneered the fields of automobile damage =
and liability insurance, which remain key sources of revenue for them =
(--> lower risk and cost of =
ownership).<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>They also pioneered roadside assistance, which I've =
used at least half a dozen times in my thirty-five years of driving =
(--> lower operating =
risk). <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In climates like ours, this service alone is worth the =
cost of my annual CAA membership.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Imagine the same for ICT, with on-site diagnostics and =
repairs, including replacing dead batteries =
(seriously).<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I don't want to have to book an appointment with a =
'genius' at the Apple =
Store. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In my hour of need, I want technical support to come =
to<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><b><i>me</i></b>. <o:p></=
o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Many local and regional associations were initially =
called Good Road Associations, and today there are slightly different =
organizations that now operate under the same =
name. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>They generally serve the interests of municipal =
governments, rather than directly serving the interests of =
motorists.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It didn't take long for governments to recognize the =
value of more and better roads to improving liberty, security and =
prosperity, and they understandably became a high priority in government =
affairs.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>They remain so to this day, and broadband =
networks will eventually enjoy similar =
status. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>As road networks and protocols improved and motoring =
became commonplace, Auto Clubs grew and amalgamated, and broadened the =
scope of their activities. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Their emphasis shifted from improving road networks =
and protocols to improving design and operation of automobiles, with =
security as their overarching objective (motoring is still a leading =
cause of death and injury).<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>We can thank Auto Clubs for driving industry adoption =
of seatbelts, and more recently, for driving government adoption of =
mandatory seatbelt legislation.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Most recently, they have played central roles in =
driving government adoption of distracted driving =
legislation.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>There are similar needs for ICT users, as the Amanda =
Todd story powerfully =
illustrates. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cyberbullying can have tragic =
consequences. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So can =
cyberfraud. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I drafted that eCitizen Club discussion paper more =
than three years ago.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The document could use some revision, but the basic =
concept makes even more sense to me now than it did back =
then. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I have since lost virtually all confidence in the =
leadership abilities of government and industry for advancing digital =
economy and society in =
Canada. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>They cannot lead effectively, and if I could wave a =
magic wand and conjure the leadership I think we require, it would look =
a lot like the eCitizen Club as I envision =
it. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The best I can do for now is stimulate interest and =
dialog around the idea, in the hope of shaping it into something =
actionable.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It's up the =
flagpole... <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>James<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 2012-12-21, at 4:28 PM, "michael =
gurstein" <<a href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>gurstein@gmail.com</span></a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks James, yes I remember reading this earlier… It is a very =
interesting idea but I have no idea how one would go about implementing =
it… and to some degree it is what ISOC is attempting to =
do…</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>M</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span=
></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>James Van =
Leeuwen [<a href=3D"mailto:jvl@">mailto:jvl@</a><a =
href=3D"http://ventus.ca/"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>ventus.ca</span></a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Friday, December 21, 2012 =
6:52 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>garykenward@eastlink.ca</span></a>; michael =
gurstein;<span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:advisors@tc.ca"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>advisors@tc.ca</span></a>; Evan =
Leibovitch<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Re: Values vs. Interests in =
IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression =
of interest + survey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Forgot the attachment (thanks =
Michael)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p =
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