[Advisors] A personal perspective of ISOCs involvement at WCIT from the President/CEO
michael gurstein
gurstein at gmail.com
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Hi Gary,
Replies in line.
From: imaginit [mailto:imaginit@eastlink.ca]
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 10:14 AM
To: michael gurstein
Cc: 'Gary W Kenward'; 'Telecommunities Advisors'; Evan Leibovitch
Subject: Re: [Advisors] A personal perspective of ISOCs involvement at WCIT
from the President/CEO
Michael:
I think ISOC participation is broader then either of us realize. There
are people from all walks of life involved. Membership is open to all
individuals and organizations. ISOC is not the IETF (although there are IETF
people, such as Vint Cerf, Leslie Daigle, and so on, who are now involved in
ISOC).
[MG>] yes, but in the multi-stakeholder scheme of things ISOC
self-identifies (and accepts other's identification as "the technical
community".
And, we must all keep in mind that the so-called "technologists" have been
promoting the principles of free and open access for the Internet since its
inception more then 30 years ago.
[MG>] true and significant, I think.
WCIT is not a conference on Internet governance. It is an ITU conference
where there was an attempt to include the Internet in International
Telecommunications Regulations.
[MG>] well yes in a narrow sense, but it was treated by all and sundry
(starting with the USG and ultimately including Canada and the rest of the
JLA-q.v.) as a conference on Internet governance. the ITU tried
unsuccessfully (and probably disingenously) to limit this element. but most
everybody involved from what I could see knew what the stakes were.
A quick scan of the membership
(http://www.itu.int/en/membership/Pages/default.aspx) provides a good view
of the diversity of positions that are represented. Many of those interests,
specifically the national governments and telecoms, have decades of
experience influencing ITU standards and regulations. From the US official
statement at the end of the conference, there is clearly a major
disagreement over whether the ITU should be including Internet issues in
ITRs.
[MG>] yes, again but also the same caveat. one of the major outcomes of the
WCIT on all sides -- but particularly from the Justice League (and with the
ITU rather following along) was the discussion of the need, nay necessity
for (the very very "political") "multistakeholderism" at/in the ITU.that is
probably the WCIT's most significant legacy (at least according to my blog
:)
In retrospect, WCIT 2012 turned out to be a minor event, thanks to the
abstentions of the US, Canada and others from signing the treaty (whatever
their motivation).
[MG>] I don't agree. I think it was something of a "political/governance"
watershed and the reverbations will be felt for a very long time. I think
the "Technical Community" made a very fundamental strategic error whose
consequences have not yet really started to emerge but will fairly soon on I
expect, and that is to have so visibly and vociferously aligned themselves
to one faction in the governance fight rather than staying above the fray.
holding fast to its vision and principles. Not having done this will prove
very costly for them (and regrettably I think, for all of us who value the
technical integrity of the Internet
My view is that the largest contribution of WCIT 2012 has been to remind the
general Internet community of the complex politics of global Internet
governance. Global Internet governance involves human rights, national
polices, political and economic philosophies, social values and many other
issues that the world struggles with continuously. Global Internet
governance involves governments and corporations with serious interests in
promoting political and economic agendas.
[MG>] absoutely true and see above
The issues you identify are obviously important. Important to the world
and important nationally. In my view - and only my view - there is a greater
likelihood of establishing national Internet Governance policies for Canada
before the Global situation is sorted out.
[MG>] maybe yes, maybe no--in this area though, I agree with Garth's long
screed to the IGC list. no one--let alone nation states can be an island in
the Internet. we are all in this together for better or for worse.
The effort to develop and promote Internet Governance policies must be
inclusive of all interested parties - NGOs, governments, corporations,
citizen groups, individuals - to have any real value. Personally, I will not
support any attempt that is exclusive.
[MG>] yes, but unfortunately the actions of "the Technical Community (ISOC
as the leader)" at the WCIT were precisely the opposite. rather than
reaching out and finding some, even if limited value/rationality/common
interest in the concerns/issues of the other "side"--they allowed themselves
to be stampeded (by folks whose interests were by no means co-extensive with
theirs) into a position which is "exclusive" of 2/3rds more or less of the
world.
And unfortunately, on the ISOC lists I'm on, I don't see any recognition of
this at all. no reflection, no thoughts of inclusion. what I see is good old
Yankee triumphalism. we beat the bad guys. now what's the next frontier for
us to conquer.
(BTW, if this kind of discussion could take place within ISOC wonderful, but
regrettably I'm personally a bit bruised from having tried to raise some
dissenting flags and being severely (e)pummeled for my trouble.
Best,
M
Cheers,
Gary
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I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor, and I'm happy to state I
finally won out over it.
- Elwood P. Dowd, Mary Chase, "Harvey"
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On 2012.12.22, at 1:57 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for this Gary.
As I think I've said in the past, the Technical Community in this case ISOC
has a very important role to play in providing leadership with respect to
the on-going integrity and development of the Internet and the management
and "governance" thereof.
It follows from this that a too close alignment with one or another "side"
in the various issues underlying the breakdown of concensus at the WCIT is
probably inappropriate and from this conversation and a few other things
that I've seen, I get a bit of a sense that there is some recognition that
this is now emerging.
One thing that concerns me though in her statement and in most of the stuff
I'm reading on the ISOC WCIT list is that no attention is being given to
issues of digital inclusion, broadband extension, globally distributed
Internet governance structures. That sort of thing.
I'm assuming that ISOC as a global organization is not simply about getting
the world to align with North American patterns/values but finding a way to
weave together multiple global perspectives on crucial Internet issues.
M
From: <mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca> advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-
<mailto:admin@tc.ca> admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of Gary W Kenward
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 8:52 AM
To: Telecommunities Advisors
Subject: [Advisors] A personal perspective of ISOCs involvement at WCIT from
the President/CEO
Lynn St. Amour, President/CEO of Internet Society, joined this North
American Bureau (ISOC) hangout to give her fresh impressions on the WCIT.
Please note that this is not intended to be Lynn's formal statement on the
WCIT; rather, this was an informal discussion of her impressions with North
American chapter leaders.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Rg6tgUsF_iI>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Rg6tgUsF_iI
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D'>Hi Gary,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
imaginit [mailto:imaginit@eastlink.ca] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December =
23, 2012 10:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Gary W =
Kenward'; 'Telecommunities Advisors'; Evan Leibovitch<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Advisors] A personal perspective of ISOCs involvement at WCIT from =
the President/CEO<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Michael: <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> I think ISOC participation is broader =
then either of us realize. There are people from all walks of life =
involved. Membership is open to all individuals and organizations. ISOC =
is not the IETF (although there are IETF people, such as Vint Cerf, =
Leslie Daigle, and so on, who are now involved in ISOC). <span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>[MG>] yes, but in the multi-stakeholder scheme of things ISOC =
self-identifies (and accepts other's identification as "the =
technical community"…<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>And, we must =
all keep in mind that the so-called "technologists" have been =
promoting the principles of free and open access for the Internet since =
its inception more then 30 years ago.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>[MG>] true and significant, I think…</span></i></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> WCIT is not a conference on Internet =
governance. It is an ITU conference where there was an attempt to =
include the Internet in International Telecommunications Regulations. =
<span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>[MG>] well yes in a narrow sense, but it was treated by all and =
sundry (starting with the USG and ultimately including Canada and the =
rest of the JLA-q.v.) as a conference on Internet governance… the =
ITU tried unsuccessfully (and probably disingenously) to limit this =
element… but most everybody involved from what I could see knew =
what the stakes were…<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>A quick scan =
of the membership (<a =
href=3D"http://www.itu.int/en/membership/Pages/default.aspx">http://www.i=
tu.int/en/membership/Pages/default.aspx</a>) provides a good view of the =
diversity of positions that are represented. Many of those interests, =
specifically the national governments and telecoms, have decades of =
experience influencing ITU standards and regulations. From the US =
official statement at the end of the conference, there is clearly a =
major disagreement over whether the ITU should be including Internet =
issues in ITRs. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>[MG>] yes, again but also the same caveat… one of the major =
outcomes of the WCIT on all sides -- but particularly from the Justice =
League (and with the ITU rather following along) was the discussion of =
the need, nay necessity for (the very very "political") =
"multistakeholderism" at/in the ITU…that is probably the =
WCIT's most significant legacy (at least according to my blog =
:)<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> In retrospect, WCIT 2012 turned out to be a =
minor event, thanks to the abstentions of the US, Canada and others from =
signing the treaty (whatever their motivation). <span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>[MG>] I don't agree… I think it was something of a =
"political/governance" watershed and the reverbations will be =
felt for a very long time… I think the "Technical =
Community" made a very fundamental strategic error whose =
consequences have not yet really started to emerge but will fairly soon =
on I expect, and that is to have so visibly and vociferously aligned =
themselves to one faction in the governance fight rather than staying =
above the fray… holding fast to its vision and principles… =
Not having done this will prove very costly for them (and regrettably I =
think, for all of us who value the technical integrity of the =
Internet<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My view is =
that the largest contribution of WCIT 2012 has been to remind the =
general Internet community of the complex politics of global Internet =
governance. Global Internet governance involves human rights, national =
polices, political and economic philosophies, social values and many =
other issues that the world struggles with continuously. Global Internet =
governance involves governments and corporations with serious interests =
in promoting political and economic agendas.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>[MG>] absoutely true and see above</span></i></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> The issues you identify are obviously =
important. Important to the world and important nationally. In my view - =
and only my view - there is a greater likelihood of establishing =
national Internet Governance policies for Canada before the Global =
situation is sorted out. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>[MG>] maybe yes, maybe no--in this area though, I agree with =
Garth's long screed to the IGC list… no one--let alone nation =
states can be an island in the Internet… we are all in this =
together for better or for worse…</span></i></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> The effort to develop and promote =
Internet Governance policies must be inclusive of all interested parties =
- NGOs, governments, corporations, citizen groups, individuals - to have =
any real value. Personally, I will not support any attempt that is =
exclusive.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>[MG>] yes, but unfortunately the actions of "the Technical =
Community (ISOC as the leader)" at the WCIT were precisely the =
opposite… rather than reaching out and finding some, even if =
limited value/rationality/common interest in the concerns/issues of the =
other "side"--they allowed themselves to be stampeded (by =
folks whose interests were by no means co-extensive with theirs) into a =
position which is "exclusive" of 2/3rds more or less of the =
world.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>And unfortunately, on the ISOC lists I'm on, I don't see any =
recognition of this at all… no reflection, no thoughts of =
inclusion… what I see is good old Yankee triumphalism… we =
beat the bad guys… now what's the next frontier for us to =
conquer…<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>(BTW, if this kind of discussion could take place within ISOC =
wonderful, but regrettably I'm personally a bit bruised from having =
tried to raise some dissenting flags and being severely (e)pummeled for =
my trouble.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>M </span></i></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gary<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#511989'>=
<br>-----------------------------------------------</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#932192'>I've =
wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor, and I'm happy to state =
I finally won out over it.</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#932192'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#919191'> - Elwood P. Dowd, Mary Chase, =
"Harvey" </span><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#919191'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#919191'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#9C1800'>THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS =
DOCUMENT IS PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL.</span></i><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
2012.12.22, at 1:57 PM, michael gurstein <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks for this Gary…</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>As I think I've said in the past, the Technical Community in this =
case ISOC has a very important role to play in providing leadership with =
respect to the on-going integrity and development of the Internet and =
the management and "governance" =
thereof.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>It follows from this that a too close alignment with one or another =
"side" in the various issues underlying the breakdown of =
concensus at the WCIT is probably inappropriate and from this =
conversation and a few other things that I've seen, I get a bit of a =
sense that there is some recognition that this is now =
emerging. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>One thing that concerns me though in her statement and in most of the =
stuff I'm reading on the ISOC WCIT list is that no attention is being =
given to issues of digital inclusion, broadband extension, globally =
distributed Internet governance structures… That sort of =
thing…</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I'm assuming that ISOC as a global organization is not simply about =
getting the world to align with North American patterns/values but =
finding a way to weave together multiple global perspectives on crucial =
Internet issues.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>M</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span=
></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>advisors-admin@tc.ca</span></a><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:advisors-<a =
href=3D"mailto:admin@tc.ca"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>admin@tc.ca</span></a>]<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></b>Gary W =
Kenward<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Saturday, December 22, 2012 =
8:52 AM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Telecommunities =
Advisors<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>[Advisors] A personal =
perspective of ISOCs involvement at WCIT from the =
President/CEO</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'line-height:12.75pt'><span =
style=3D'color:#333333'>Lynn St. Amour, President/CEO of Internet =
Society, joined this North American Bureau (ISOC) hangout to give her =
fresh impressions on the WCIT. Please note that this is not intended to =
be Lynn's formal statement on the WCIT; rather, this was an informal =
discussion of her impressions with North American chapter =
leaders.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><a =
href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dplayer_detailpage&v=3D=
Rg6tgUsF_iI"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dplayer_deta=
ilpage&v=3DRg6tgUsF_iI</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><image002.png><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:13.5pt'><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif"'><br><br><br><br></span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#9C1800'>THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS =
DOCUMENT IS PRIVATE AND =
CONFIDENTIAL.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div>=
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