[Advisors] A personal perspective of ISOCs involvement at WCIT
from the President/CEO
Gary W Kenward
garykenward at eastlink.ca
Mon, 24 Dec 2012 00:21:17 -0400
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Thanks Michael.
I don't think the sky has quite yet fallen.
There is still lots of hard work ahead, for sure.
Gary
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On 2012.12.23, at 2:58 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Gary,
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> From: imaginit [mailto:imaginit@eastlink.ca]=20
> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 10:14 AM
> To: michael gurstein
> Cc: 'Gary W Kenward'; 'Telecommunities Advisors'; Evan Leibovitch
> Subject: Re: [Advisors] A personal perspective of ISOCs involvement at =
WCIT from the President/CEO
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> Michael:=20
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> I think ISOC participation is broader then either of us realize. =
There are people from all walks of life involved. Membership is open to =
all individuals and organizations. ISOC is not the IETF (although there =
are IETF people, such as Vint Cerf, Leslie Daigle, and so on, who are =
now involved in ISOC). =20
> [MG>] yes, but in the multi-stakeholder scheme of things ISOC =
self-identifies (and accepts other's identification as "the technical =
community"=85
> =20
> And, we must all keep in mind that the so-called "technologists" have =
been promoting the principles of free and open access for the Internet =
since its inception more then 30 years ago.
> [MG>] true and significant, I think=85
> =20
> WCIT is not a conference on Internet governance. It is an ITU =
conference where there was an attempt to include the Internet in =
International Telecommunications Regulations.
> [MG>] well yes in a narrow sense, but it was treated by all and sundry =
(starting with the USG and ultimately including Canada and the rest of =
the JLA-q.v.) as a conference on Internet governance=85 the ITU tried =
unsuccessfully (and probably disingenously) to limit this element=85 but =
most everybody involved from what I could see knew what the stakes were=85=
> =20
> A quick scan of the membership =
(http://www.itu.int/en/membership/Pages/default.aspx) provides a good =
view of the diversity of positions that are represented. Many of those =
interests, specifically the national governments and telecoms, have =
decades of experience influencing ITU standards and regulations. =46rom =
the US official statement at the end of the conference, there is clearly =
a major disagreement over whether the ITU should be including Internet =
issues in ITRs.=20
> [MG>] yes, again but also the same caveat=85 one of the major outcomes =
of the WCIT on all sides -- but particularly from the Justice League =
(and with the ITU rather following along) was the discussion of the =
need, nay necessity for (the very very "political") =
"multistakeholderism" at/in the ITU=85that is probably the WCIT's most =
significant legacy (at least according to my blog :)
> =20
> In retrospect, WCIT 2012 turned out to be a minor event, thanks to =
the abstentions of the US, Canada and others from signing the treaty =
(whatever their motivation).
> [MG>] I don't agree=85 I think it was something of a =
"political/governance" watershed and the reverbations will be felt for a =
very long time=85 I think the "Technical Community" made a very =
fundamental strategic error whose consequences have not yet really =
started to emerge but will fairly soon on I expect, and that is to have =
so visibly and vociferously aligned themselves to one faction in the =
governance fight rather than staying above the fray=85 holding fast to =
its vision and principles=85 Not having done this will prove very costly =
for them (and regrettably I think, for all of us who value the technical =
integrity of the Internet
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> My view is that the largest contribution of WCIT 2012 has been to =
remind the general Internet community of the complex politics of global =
Internet governance. Global Internet governance involves human rights, =
national polices, political and economic philosophies, social values and =
many other issues that the world struggles with continuously. Global =
Internet governance involves governments and corporations with serious =
interests in promoting political and economic agendas.
> [MG>] absoutely true and see above
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> The issues you identify are obviously important. Important to the =
world and important nationally. In my view - and only my view - there is =
a greater likelihood of establishing national Internet Governance =
policies for Canada before the Global situation is sorted out.=20
> [MG>] maybe yes, maybe no--in this area though, I agree with Garth's =
long screed to the IGC list=85 no one--let alone nation states can be an =
island in the Internet=85 we are all in this together for better or for =
worse=85
> =20
> The effort to develop and promote Internet Governance policies must =
be inclusive of all interested parties - NGOs, governments, =
corporations, citizen groups, individuals - to have any real value. =
Personally, I will not support any attempt that is exclusive.
> [MG>] yes, but unfortunately the actions of "the Technical Community =
(ISOC as the leader)" at the WCIT were precisely the opposite=85 rather =
than reaching out and finding some, even if limited =
value/rationality/common interest in the concerns/issues of the other =
"side"--they allowed themselves to be stampeded (by folks whose =
interests were by no means co-extensive with theirs) into a position =
which is "exclusive" of 2/3rds more or less of the world.
> =20
> And unfortunately, on the ISOC lists I'm on, I don't see any =
recognition of this at all=85 no reflection, no thoughts of inclusion=85 =
what I see is good old Yankee triumphalism=85 we beat the bad guys=85 =
now what's the next frontier for us to conquer=85
> =20
> (BTW, if this kind of discussion could take place within ISOC =
wonderful, but regrettably I'm personally a bit bruised from having =
tried to raise some dissenting flags and being severely (e)pummeled for =
my trouble.
> =20
> Best,
> =20
> M
> =20
> Cheers,
> Gary
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> I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor, and I'm happy to =
state I finally won out over it.
> - Elwood P. Dowd, Mary Chase, "Harvey"=20
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> On 2012.12.22, at 1:57 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com> =
wrote:
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> Thanks for this Gary=85
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> As I think I've said in the past, the Technical Community in this case =
ISOC has a very important role to play in providing leadership with =
respect to the on-going integrity and development of the Internet and =
the management and "governance" thereof.
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> It follows from this that a too close alignment with one or another =
"side" in the various issues underlying the breakdown of concensus at =
the WCIT is probably inappropriate and from this conversation and a few =
other things that I've seen, I get a bit of a sense that there is some =
recognition that this is now emerging.=20
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> One thing that concerns me though in her statement and in most of the =
stuff I'm reading on the ISOC WCIT list is that no attention is being =
given to issues of digital inclusion, broadband extension, globally =
distributed Internet governance structures=85 That sort of thing=85
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> I'm assuming that ISOC as a global organization is not simply about =
getting the world to align with North American patterns/values but =
finding a way to weave together multiple global perspectives on crucial =
Internet issues.
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> M
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> From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of =
Gary W Kenward
> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 8:52 AM
> To: Telecommunities Advisors
> Subject: [Advisors] A personal perspective of ISOCs involvement at =
WCIT from the President/CEO
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> Lynn St. Amour, President/CEO of Internet Society, joined this North =
American Bureau (ISOC) hangout to give her fresh impressions on the =
WCIT. Please note that this is not intended to be Lynn's formal =
statement on the WCIT; rather, this was an informal discussion of her =
impressions with North American chapter leaders.
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<br><div><div>On 2012.12.23, at 2:58 PM, michael gurstein <<a =
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New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi =
Gary,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
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"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Replies in line=85<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
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10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span =
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class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>imaginit =
[mailto:imaginit@<a href=3D"http://eastlink.ca" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline; ">eastlink.ca</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, December 23, 2012 =
10:14 AM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>michael =
gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Gary W Kenward'; =
'Telecommunities Advisors'; Evan Leibovitch<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Advisors] A personal =
perspective of ISOCs involvement at WCIT from the =
President/CEO<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: =
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serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">Michael: <o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
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"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
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"> I think ISOC participation is broader then either of us =
realize. There are people from all walks of life involved. Membership is =
open to all individuals and organizations. ISOC is not the IETF =
(although there are IETF people, such as Vint Cerf, Leslie Daigle, and =
so on, who are now involved in ISOC). <span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">[MG>] yes, but in the =
multi-stakeholder scheme of things ISOC self-identifies (and accepts =
other's identification as "the technical =
community"=85<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></i></b></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; ">And, we must all keep in mind that the so-called =
"technologists" have been promoting the principles of free and open =
access for the Internet since its inception more then 30 years =
ago.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><i><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">[MG>] true and significant, I =
think=85</span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
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"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
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"> WCIT is not a conference on Internet governance. It is an =
ITU conference where there was an attempt to include the Internet in =
International Telecommunications Regulations.<span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">[MG>] well yes in a narrow =
sense, but it was treated by all and sundry (starting with the USG and =
ultimately including Canada and the rest of the JLA-q.v.) as a =
conference on Internet governance=85 the ITU tried unsuccessfully (and =
probably disingenously) to limit this element=85 but most everybody =
involved from what I could see knew what the stakes =
were=85<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></i></b></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; ">A quick scan of the membership (<a =
href=3D"http://www.itu.int/en/membership/Pages/default.aspx" =
style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline; =
">http://www.itu.int/en/membership/Pages/default.aspx</a>) provides a =
good view of the diversity of positions that are represented. Many of =
those interests, specifically the national governments and telecoms, =
have decades of experience influencing ITU standards and regulations. =
=46rom the US official statement at the end of the conference, there is =
clearly a major disagreement over whether the ITU should be including =
Internet issues in ITRs. <o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">[MG>] yes, again but also the =
same caveat=85 one of the major outcomes of the WCIT on all sides -- but =
particularly from the Justice League (and with the ITU rather following =
along) was the discussion of the need, nay necessity for (the very very =
"political") "multistakeholderism" at/in the ITU=85that is probably the =
WCIT's most significant legacy (at least according to my blog =
:)<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
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"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
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"> In retrospect, WCIT 2012 turned out to be a minor event, thanks =
to the abstentions of the US, Canada and others from signing the =
treaty (whatever their motivation).<span style=3D"color: rgb(31, =
73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">[MG>] I don't agree=85 I think =
it was something of a "political/governance" watershed and the =
reverbations will be felt for a very long time=85 I think the "Technical =
Community" made a very fundamental strategic error whose consequences =
have not yet really started to emerge but will fairly soon on I expect, =
and that is to have so visibly and vociferously aligned themselves to =
one faction in the governance fight rather than staying above the fray=85 =
holding fast to its vision and principles=85 Not having done this will =
prove very costly for them (and regrettably I think, for all of us who =
value the technical integrity of the =
Internet<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></i></b></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; ">My view is that the largest contribution of WCIT =
2012 has been to remind the general Internet community of the complex =
politics of global Internet governance. Global Internet governance =
involves human rights, national polices, political and economic =
philosophies, social values and many other issues that the world =
struggles with continuously. Global Internet governance involves =
governments and corporations with serious interests in promoting =
political and economic agendas.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">[MG>] absoutely true and see =
above</span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"> The issues you identify are obviously important. Important to =
the world and important nationally. In my view - and only my view - =
there is a greater likelihood of establishing national Internet =
Governance policies for Canada before the Global situation is sorted =
out. <o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><i><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">[MG>] maybe yes, maybe no--in this area though, I =
agree with Garth's long screed to the IGC list=85 no one--let alone =
nation states can be an island in the Internet=85 we are all in this =
together for better or for worse=85</span></i></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "> The effort to develop and promote =
Internet Governance policies must be inclusive of all interested parties =
- NGOs, governments, corporations, citizen groups, individuals - to have =
any real value. Personally, I will not support any attempt that is =
exclusive.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><i><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">[MG>] yes, but unfortunately the actions of "the =
Technical Community (ISOC as the leader)" at the WCIT were precisely the =
opposite=85 rather than reaching out and finding some, even if limited =
value/rationality/common interest in the concerns/issues of the other =
"side"--they allowed themselves to be stampeded (by folks whose =
interests were by no means co-extensive with theirs) into a position =
which is "exclusive" of 2/3rds more or less of the =
world.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></i></b></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">And unfortunately, on =
the ISOC lists I'm on, I don't see any recognition of this at all=85 no =
reflection, no thoughts of inclusion=85 what I see is good old Yankee =
triumphalism=85 we beat the bad guys=85 now what's the next frontier for =
us to conquer=85<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></i></b></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">(BTW, if this kind of =
discussion could take place within ISOC wonderful, but regrettably I'm =
personally a bit bruised from having tried to raise some dissenting =
flags and being severely (e)pummeled for my =
trouble.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></i></b></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></i></b></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">M</span></i></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; ">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; ">Gary<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(81, 25, 137); =
"><br>-----------------------------------------------</span><span =
style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: =
rgb(147, 33, 146); ">I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, =
Doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won out over =
it.</span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: rgb(147, =
33, 146); "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: =
rgb(145, 145, 145); "> - Elwood P. Dowd, Mary Chase, =
"Harvey" </span><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: =
rgb(145, 145, 145); "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', =
sans-serif; color: rgb(145, 145, 145); =
"> </span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><i><span =
style=3D"font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; =
color: rgb(156, 24, 0); ">THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS DOCUMENT IS =
PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL.</span></i><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On =
2012.12.22, at 1:57 PM, michael gurstein <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline; ">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thanks for this =
Gary=85</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">As I think I've said in =
the past, the Technical Community in this case ISOC has a very important =
role to play in providing leadership with respect to the on-going =
integrity and development of the Internet and the management and =
"governance" thereof.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">It follows from this that a too close =
alignment with one or another "side" in the various issues underlying =
the breakdown of concensus at the WCIT is probably inappropriate and =
from this conversation and a few other things that I've seen, I get a =
bit of a sense that there is some recognition that this is now =
emerging. </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">One thing that concerns me though in her =
statement and in most of the stuff I'm reading on the ISOC WCIT list is =
that no attention is being given to issues of digital inclusion, =
broadband extension, globally distributed Internet governance =
structures=85 That sort of thing=85</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div=
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I'm assuming that ISOC as a global =
organization is not simply about getting the world to align with North =
American patterns/values but finding a way to weave together multiple =
global perspectives on crucial Internet =
issues.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">M</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> </span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><a =
href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline; "><span style=3D"color: purple; =
">advisors-admin@tc.ca</span></a><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:advisors-<a =
href=3D"mailto:admin@tc.ca" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline; "><span style=3D"color: purple; =
">admin@tc.ca</span></a>]<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Gary W =
Kenward<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, December 22, 2012 =
8:52 AM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Telecommunities =
Advisors<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>[Advisors] A personal =
perspective of ISOCs involvement at WCIT from the =
President/CEO</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; line-height: 12.75pt; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(51, =
51, 51); ">Lynn St. Amour, President/CEO of Internet Society, joined =
this North American Bureau (ISOC) hangout to give her fresh impressions =
on the WCIT. Please note that this is not intended to be Lynn's formal =
statement on the WCIT; rather, this was an informal discussion of her =
impressions with North American chapter =
leaders.</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"> <o:p></o:p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><a =
href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dplayer_detailpage&v=3DR=
g6tgUsF_iI" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span =
style=3D"color: purple; =
">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dplayer_detailpage&v=3DRg6tgUs=
F_iI</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><image002.png><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 13.5pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: =
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"><br><br><br><br></span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><b><i><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: =
'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; color: rgb(156, 24, 0); ">THE INFORMATION =
CONTAINED IN THIS DOCUMENT IS PRIVATE AND =
CONFIDENTIAL.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div></div><p =
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