[Advisors] Let community re-think community

Sun, 6 May 2012 12:01:23 -0600

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Being 'less bad' than the Greeks or the Americans is utterly irrelevant =
to the issue at hand.

This isn't about beating ourselves up.=20

It's about holding ourselves to account for what we are indisputably =
accountable for as democratic citizens.

It's our government, and we get the governments we deserve.

JvL

On 2012-05-06, at 11:03 AM, Gary Kenward wrote:

> As compared to say the US (have you followed the republican primary)? =
Or the Greeks?
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> Regardless, the first step is to stop beating ourselves up over what =
we are not.
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> Gary
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> On 12.05.06 1:32 PM, "James Van Leeuwen" <jvl@ventus.ca> wrote:
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>> It says that Canadians still don't have the emotional and =
intellectual maturity for substantive discourse around morals and =
values.
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>> It says we need to grow up.
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>> James
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>> On 2012-05-05, at 1:22 PM, Garth Graham wrote:
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>> > On 2012-05-05, at 12:19 AM, James Van Leeuwen wrote:
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>> >> Garth asks:
>> >> What kind of a society do we want? =85  I think the very essence =
of the challenge we Canadians face today is that we have so many =
conflicting visions of what we want our society to look like. =85  What =
we lack is sufficient moral capital to bind the nation into a common and =
cohesive society with a meaningful purpose and a coherent vision for =
itself.  =85  Without an appealing new moral vision and narrative to =
bind us together, collaboration and cooperation across groups will be =
next to impossible.
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>> > James, I congratulate you on risking discussion of values when, =
from my experience, the tolerance of Canadians for matters philosophical =
is pretty limited.  The first and only time I dared wade into that =
debate about narrative was in June of 1994 (see attached report of a =
workshop on electronic democracy).  The report predicts, accurately, =
that without ongoing discussion of values there would be no real basis =
for effective public policies about Canada's transformation into a =
digital society.  What does a silence that's now 18 years deep say about =
the current content of public policy?
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>> > GG
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>> > <Values debate.rtf>
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"><div>Being 'less bad' than the Greeks or the Americans is utterly =
irrelevant to the issue at hand.</div><div><br></div><div>This isn't =
about beating ourselves up.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>It's about =
holding ourselves to account for what we are indisputably accountable =
for as democratic citizens.</div><div><br></div><div>It's our =
government, and&nbsp;we get the governments we =
deserve.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>JvL</div><div><br></div><=
div><br></div><br><div><div>On 2012-05-06, at 11:03 AM, Gary Kenward =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
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<title>Re: [Advisors] Let community re-think community</title>

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As compared to say the US (have you followed =
the republican primary)? Or the Greeks? 
 
Regardless, the first step is to stop beating ourselves up over what we =
are not. 
 
Gary 
 
 
On 12.05.06 1:32 PM, "James Van Leeuwen" &lt;<a =
href=3D"x-msg://1163/jvl@ventus.ca">jvl@ventus.ca</a>&gt; wrote: 
 
<blockquote type=3D"cite">It says that Canadians still don't have the emotional and =
intellectual maturity for substantive discourse around morals and =
values. 
 
It says we need to grow up. 
 
James 
 
 
 
On 2012-05-05, at 1:22 PM, Garth Graham wrote: 
 
&gt; On 2012-05-05, at 12:19 AM, James Van Leeuwen wrote: 
&gt; 
&gt;&gt; Garth asks: 
&gt;&gt; What kind of a society do we want? =85 &nbsp;I think the very =
essence of the challenge we Canadians face today is that we have so many =
conflicting visions of what we want our society to look like. =85 =
&nbsp;What we lack is sufficient moral capital to bind the nation into a =
common and cohesive society with a meaningful purpose and a coherent =
vision for itself. &nbsp;=85 &nbsp;Without an appealing new moral vision =
and narrative to bind us together, collaboration and cooperation across =
groups will be next to impossible. 
&gt; 
&gt; James, I congratulate you on risking discussion of values when, =
from my experience, the tolerance of Canadians for matters philosophical =
is pretty limited. &nbsp;The first and only time I dared wade into that =
debate about narrative was in June of 1994 (see attached report of a =
workshop on electronic democracy). &nbsp;The report predicts, =
accurately, that without ongoing discussion of values there would be no =
real basis for effective public policies about Canada's transformation =
into a digital society. &nbsp;What does a silence that's now 18 years =
deep say about the current content of public policy? 
&gt; 
&gt; GG 
&gt; 
&gt; &lt;Values debate.rtf&gt; 
 
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