[Advisors] Canada UPR submission - can we endorse?
michael gurstein
gurstein at gmail.com
Sat, 6 Oct 2012 11:45:19 -0700
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Tamir and all,
Given that we are a rather small population scattered over a vast territory
(yes, we all know this but it often needs repeating) some sort of
extraordinary effort at being inclusive needs to be made otherwise various
folks without our best interests at heart can divide and rule. :(
If APC (or CIPPIC or whoever) wants to take leadership in the ICT policy
area in Canada (by setting up an inclusive email list for example),
wonderful and it is about time, but moving forward things have to be
inclusive and extraordinary efforts have to be made to ensure that things
are inclusive or they will not succeed (where is the French translation BTW.
M
From: Tamir Israel [mailto:tisrael@cippic.ca]
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:58 AM
To: michael gurstein
Cc: 'Marita Moll'; 'TC Advisors'; 'Gareth Shearman'; 'Thompson, Darlene';
Anriette Esterhuysen; Lisa@apc.org
Subject: Re: [Advisors] Canada UPR submission - can we endorse?
Hi Mike and all,
I'll let Lisa answer your broader questions on circulation, etc., but
regarding the process concerns, please do not take them to heart. It was an
open comment process where anyone could add or subtract text as they wished
to the wonderful initial document APC put together (this is how CIPPIC got
involved).
I apologize that it was only circulated on one list (the lawful access list
-- Marita is on it, I think, but I'll gladly add you if you're interested,
just let me know!!). I think this was likely primarily a function of time
and ease of access, not any intention to exclude anyone!
Also, as you know, Mike, there is no central CDN civil society list, making
things like this difficult. There are a few issue specific lists (lawful
access, privacy, informatics, e-commerce, etc.), but no single centralized
place to get everyone at once, which I think would help coordination in the
future....
Hope all's well!
Best,
Tamir
On 10/6/2012 12:22 PM, michael gurstein wrote:
Thanks for circulating this Marita and I think it is an excellent document
and that TC should endorse this with all due dispatch.
(One question, is this open to more general circulation at this point and is
there a desire for additional "sign-ons".? I would like to circulate it to
the Community Informatics Canada (CRACIN) elist for example.)
My one caveat on this has to do with process. I would have liked to have
seen a rather more open and inclusive process in the creation of this
document.
There is very considerable civil society expertise in Canada in the whole
range of areas addressed in this document and I think that a more inclusive
process would have only strengthened it in substance and as well provided a
means for a number of individuals and groups to indicate an interest in
these areas and to begin the process of networking around them in
Canada--something that unfortunately has been too long delayed. (I think the
section concerning First Nations and other indigenous people in Canada would
particularly have benefited from a more inclusive approach.)
Best,
Mike
From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of Marita
Moll
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:56 PM
To: TC Advisors; Gareth Shearman; Thompson, Darlene
Subject: [Advisors] Canada UPR submission - can we endorse?
Hello all. Attached please find a draft copy of a document put together by
APC (Association of Progressive Communications) and CIPPIC (Can. Internet
Policy and Public Interest Clinic). It is a joint submission to the
Universal Periodic Review of Canada which is a regular review of the human
rights performance of UN member states (see
http://www.international.gc.ca/rights-droits/upr-epu.aspx?view=d for more
information).
We are asked to add our signature and logo (as Telecommunities Canada) to
this document. Please let me know if you have a problem with endorsing.
This particular submission is concerned with the recognition of human rights
on the internet. I have contributed to section B.1 which registers concerns
about ending funding for the CAP program:
"B1. 7. The coalition commends the Government of Canada's Broadband
Program for bringing internet access to a total of 218,000 new Canadian
households between 2009 and 2012, many of which are in rural communities.
However we are concerned because funding has ended for both this program,
and the Community Access Program (CAP), as of March 31, 2012. CAP operated
in over 3,000 sites across Canada, offering computer literacy trainings and
Internet-user skills for youth, seniors, members of low-income communities
and residents of rural and remote regions."
"B1. 8. Industry Canada stated that in the context of "challenging fiscal
times," $15 million in funding for CAP was terminated because the program
had "successfully achieved its objective." However, the digital divide
persists in Canada, particularly among First Nations communities."
"Recommendation 38: Provide funding and supports for community access
programs in order to complement new online government services and to ensure
fairness and equality in access to online services for all Canadians.
Marita
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>Tamir and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Given that we are a rather small population scattered over a vast =
territory (yes, we all know this but it often needs repeating) some sort =
of extraordinary effort at being inclusive needs to be made otherwise =
various folks without our best interests at heart can divide and =
rule… :(<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If APC (or CIPPIC or whoever) wants to take leadership in the ICT =
policy area in Canada (by setting up an inclusive email list for =
example), wonderful and it is about time, but moving forward things have =
to be inclusive and extraordinary efforts have to be made to ensure that =
things are inclusive or they will not succeed (where is the French =
translation BTW…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowt=
ext'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowt=
ext'> Tamir Israel [mailto:tisrael@cippic.ca] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, =
October 06, 2012 10:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> =
'Marita Moll'; 'TC Advisors'; 'Gareth Shearman'; 'Thompson, Darlene'; =
Anriette Esterhuysen; Lisa@apc.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Advisors] =
Canada UPR submission - can we =
endorse?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Mike and =
all,<br><br>I'll let Lisa answer your broader questions on circulation, =
etc., but regarding the process concerns, please do not take them to =
heart. It was an open comment process where anyone could add or subtract =
text as they wished to the wonderful initial document APC put together =
(this is how CIPPIC got involved).<br><br>I apologize that it was only =
circulated on one list (the lawful access list -- Marita is on it, I =
think, but I'll gladly add you if you're interested, just let me =
know!!). I think this was likely primarily a function of time and ease =
of access, not any intention to exclude anyone!<br><br>Also, as you =
know, Mike, there is no central CDN civil society list, making things =
like this difficult. There are a few issue specific lists (lawful =
access, privacy, informatics, e-commerce, etc.), but no single =
centralized place to get everyone at once, which I think would help =
coordination in the future....<br><br>Hope all's =
well!<br><br>Best,<br>Tamir<br><br><br>On 10/6/2012 12:22 PM, michael =
gurstein wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks for circulating this Marita and I think it is an excellent =
document and that TC should endorse this with all due dispatch. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>(One question, is this open to more general circulation at this point =
and is there a desire for additional "sign-ons"…? I =
would like to circulate it to the Community Informatics Canada (CRACIN) =
elist for example.)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My one caveat on this has to do with process. I would have =
liked to have seen a rather more open and inclusive process in the =
creation of this document. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>There is very considerable civil society expertise in Canada in the =
whole range of areas addressed in this document and I think that a more =
inclusive process would have only strengthened it in substance and as =
well provided a means for a number of individuals and groups to indicate =
an interest in these areas and to begin the process of networking around =
them in Canada--something that unfortunately has been too long delayed. =
(I think the section concerning First Nations and other indigenous =
people in Canada would particularly have benefited from a more inclusive =
approach.)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowt=
ext'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowt=
ext'> <a href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca">advisors-admin@tc.ca</a> =
[<a =
href=3D"mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca">mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marita Moll<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 02, =
2012 5:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> TC Advisors; Gareth Shearman; Thompson, =
Darlene<br><b>Subject:</b> [Advisors] Canada UPR submission - can we =
endorse?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Hello all. Attached please find =
a draft copy of a document put together by APC (Association of =
Progressive Communications) and CIPPIC (Can. Internet Policy and Public =
Interest Clinic). It is a joint submission to the Universal Periodic =
Review of Canada which is a regular review of the human rights =
performance of UN member states (see <a =
href=3D"http://www.international.gc.ca/rights-droits/upr-epu.aspx?view=3D=
d">http://www.international.gc.ca/rights-droits/upr-epu.aspx?view=3Dd</a>=
for more information). <br><br>We are asked to add our signature =
and logo (as Telecommunities Canada) to this document. Please let =
me know if you have a problem with endorsing.<br><br>This particular =
submission is concerned with the recognition of human rights on the =
internet. I have contributed to section B.1 which registers concerns =
about ending funding for the CAP program:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin-top:5.75pt;line-height:150%'>"B1. 7. =
The coalition commends the Government of Canada's Broadband Program for =
bringing internet access to a total of 218,000 new Canadian households =
between 2009 and 2012, many of which are in rural communities. However =
we are concerned because funding has ended for both this program, =
and<em><span style=3D'font-style:normal'> the Community Access Program =
(CAP), as of March 31, 2012.</span> </em><em><span =
style=3D'font-style:normal'>CAP operated in over 3,000 sites =
a</span>cross Canada, offering computer literacy trainings and =
Internet-user skills for youth, seniors, members of low-income =
communities and residents of rural and remote =
regions."</em><o:p></o:p></p><p =
style=3D'margin-top:5.75pt;line-height:150%'><em><span =
style=3D'font-style:normal'>"B1. 8. Industry Canada stated =
that in the context of “challenging fiscal times,” $15 =
million in funding for CAP was terminated because the program had =
“successfully achieved its objective.”</span> However, the =
digital divide persists in Canada, particularly among First Nations =
communities."</em><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>"Recommendation 38: =
Provide funding and supports for community access programs in order to =
complement new online government services and to ensure fairness and =
equality in access to online services for all =
Canadians.<br> <br><br>Marita<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></body=
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