[Advisors] Re: [CommunityInformaticsCanada] FW: [governance] US: FCC proposes large public WiFi networks; tech, telecom giants take sides
Brian Beaton
brianbeaton at knet.ca
Wed, 6 Feb 2013 06:04:04 -0600
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Gary . "Given recent trends to privatize - with voter support - this will be
difficult."
Wondering if this might better be described as "Given recent trends to
privatize - with urban dweller support (ie the majority of Canadians) -
this will be difficult" because in the cities and near-urban centres there
is a MARKET for the private sector to provide people with choices of
providers and infrastructures. But in remote and rural communities the only
way we have seen the private sector putting the infrastructure in place is
when the public pays 100% of the cost for them to own and operate the
required service. But what everyone has witnessed OVER and OVER again is
that once the public funds for these connections dry up, these same private
companies quickly disappear and the people are left trying to make things
work as best as possible.
As long as policies and programs are being developed and delivered by people
in the cities that address their environments and are only within their own
scope of understanding, this cycle of "taking care of" the corporations,
private sector, institutions and governments based on the premise of "taking
care of" us poor and ignorant people who live and work in remote and rural
communities will continue .
IMHO it will be a battle to get the telecom corporations and their rich
investors to ever let go of their monopolies that they have built over the
years and continue to sustain and profit from . but the struggle is an
important one for the folks in the remote and rural communities who continue
to pay the price for the majority of Canadians to have their nice
comfortable existence in their urban environments .
Brian Beaton, KO-KNET Coordinator
Keewaytinook Okimakanak
Box 1439, Sioux Lookout, ON, P8T 1B9
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From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of Gary W
Kenward
Sent: February-06-13 12:10 AM
To: James Van Leeuwen
Cc: michael gurstein; civicaccess discuss;
cracin-canada@vancouvercommunity.net; advisors@tc.ca
Subject: Re: [Advisors] Re: [CommunityInformaticsCanada] FW: [governance]
US: FCC proposes large public WiFi networks; tech, telecom giants take sides
"We don't charge you to walk on our sidewalks. Why would we charge you for
broadband?
Sidewalks are paid for by taxes. So people are charged, whether the want
sidewalks or not. Sidewalks are, like all things in life, not free.
Given current spending cutbacks, which government services would you suggest
people are willing to give up in order to provide universal free access to
broadband? Which issue do you feel "boomers and seniors" care more about?
Health care, unemployment, pensions, public safety, defence, the
environment, education, or free access to the Internet? Food, shelter and
safety will always take precedence. Even with younger generations.
Free communications via mail, telephony, radio, television and carrier
pigeon has never been considered a universal right. So there is a remarkable
precedent to be set.
What's missing in much of the current dialogue around universal free access
is an argument for the greater common good that convinces the majority that
its worth government intervention - and spending. That truly convinces the
majority that governments can do a better job then the private sector. Given
recent trends to privatize - with voter support - this will be difficult.
Gary
Plus ca change, plus c'est le meme chose
On 2013-02-05, at 5:16, James Van Leeuwen <jvl@ventus.ca> wrote:
"We don't charge you to walk on our sidewalks. Why would we charge you for
broadband?
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D'>Wondering if this might better be described as <i>“Given recent =
trends to privatize - with urban dweller support (ie the majority =
of Canadians) - this will be difficult”</i> because in the cities =
and near-urban centres there is a MARKET for the private sector to =
provide people with choices of providers and infrastructures. But in =
remote and rural communities the only way we have seen the private =
sector putting the infrastructure in place is when the public pays 100% =
of the cost for them to own and operate the required service. But what =
everyone has witnessed OVER and OVER again is that once the public funds =
for these connections dry up, these same private companies quickly =
disappear and the people are left trying to make things work as best as =
possible. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>As long as policies and programs are being developed and delivered by =
people in the cities that address their environments and are only within =
their own scope of understanding, this cycle of “taking care =
of” the corporations, private sector, institutions and governments =
based on the premise of “taking care of” us poor and =
ignorant people who live and work in remote and rural communities will =
continue …<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>IMHO it will be a battle to get the telecom corporations and their =
rich investors to ever let go of their monopolies that they have built =
over the years and continue to sustain and profit from … but the =
struggle is an important one for the folks in the remote and rural =
communities who continue to pay the price for the majority of Canadians =
to have their nice comfortable existence in their urban environments =
…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Gary W Kenward<br><b>Sent:</b> February-06-13 12:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
James Van Leeuwen<br><b>Cc:</b> michael gurstein; civicaccess discuss; =
cracin-canada@vancouvercommunity.net; advisors@tc.ca<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Advisors] Re: [CommunityInformaticsCanada] FW: [governance] US: FCC =
proposes large public WiFi networks; tech, telecom giants take =
sides<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><b><i>"We don't charge you to walk on our =
sidewalks. Why would we charge you for =
broadband?</i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><br><br></i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sidewalks are paid for by taxes. So people are =
charged, whether the want sidewalks or not. Sidewalks are, like all =
things in life, not free. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Given current spending cutbacks, which government =
services would you suggest people are willing to give up in order to =
provide universal free access to broadband? Which issue do you feel =
"boomers and seniors" care more about? Health care, =
unemployment, pensions, public safety, defence, the environment, =
education, or free access to the Internet? Food, shelter and safety will =
always take precedence. Even with younger =
generations. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Free communications via mail, telephony, radio, =
television and carrier pigeon has never been considered a universal =
right. So there is a remarkable precedent to be =
set.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>What's missing in much of the current dialogue around =
universal free access is an argument for the greater common good that =
convinces the majority that its worth government intervention - and =
spending. That truly convinces the majority that governments can do a =
better job then the private sector. Given recent trends to privatize - =
with voter support - this will be difficult.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gary<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><i><br></i></b>Plus ca change, plus c'est le meme =
chose<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 2013-02-05, at 5:16, James Van =
Leeuwen <<a href=3D"mailto:jvl@ventus.ca">jvl@ventus.ca</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;-webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto'><p class=3DMsoNormal>"We don't charge you to walk on our =
sidewalks. Why would we charge you for =
broadband?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></body></html>
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