[Advisors] YI Delays

Marita Moll mmoll at ca.inter.net
Wed Jun 3 05:23:16 PDT 2015


I am wondering if it would help at all to try to arrange a meeting -- I 
know most people could not make it to Ottawa but it could be a 
teleconference at the same time.  Or have you all already aired these 
problems with reps in Ottawa to no avail.

Marita

On 6/2/2015 10:20 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>
> We won’t be able to use our admin budget (10%) on hiring a provincial 
> coordinator – we can’t leave youth to run the program  - there MUST be 
> non-youth oversight, reporting, financial, sending cheques, 
> communicating with supervisors.  One way we administer the program is 
> to leave the youth to the interns – but the supervisors, managers, 
> administrators, library coordinators are dealt with by us.  We’ve met 
> most of them and know them.  It makes for an easy roll-out.  I can’t 
> EVEN imagine throwing a new person into the job of communicating to 
> interns AND supervisors while LEARNING the program.  Next year maybe 
> as we would make changes so that could happen – but I’m just not sure 
> how this will work.   WE are responsible for the final reports – and 
> these are usually done in April/May when the youth interns are long 
> gone – I can’t imagine being left in the position of sorting through 
> the work of interns that have worked on their own to compile reports.
>
> Bev
>
> *From:* advisors-bounces at tc.ca [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On 
> Behalf Of *Monique Chartrand
> *Sent:* June 2, 2015 6:50 AM
> *Cc:* TC Advisors
> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
> Hello,
>
> For our part, the impacts of the changes, that we’re still trying to 
> understand the meaning, appear majors.
>
> We understand that the internships should provide opportunities to 
> develop ICT skills and to allow non-profit organizations, offering 
> internships in promising fields, to benefit from those skills.
>
> We are not sure to understand Industry Canada's definition of ICT and 
> their link with internships in aerospace and video games NPOs. In 
> fact, we don't find a lot of high-tech NPOs. We continue to look 
> around for those because we’re asked to do so again and again. We also 
> question the relevance of this type of internships that have more to 
> do with the private sector, that already pays for those and don’t 
> represent de facto a particular challenge for the employability of 
> young people involved in these professions. No doubt they lack of 
> manpower in these areas, but would those internships really make a 
> difference?
>
> Our two major difficulties are therefore to understand the program 
> since Industry Canada's proposal and job description is the same as 
> before. Yet again, it seems clear to us that the internships in the 
> CAP sites were very powerful for young interns regarding their 
> appropriation of the ICTs and also to help communities to use them for 
> economic and community development based on "Connect Canada". They had 
> an opportunity to develop certain XXI century's skills, which are the 
> most sought after by companies across all skills.
>
> The other challenge regards the administrative changes. In our 
> practice, the 8% given to administrative costs (10% before benefits) 
> was already a financial deficit that we accept to fill since we 
> implemented a facilitating operational system regarding the 
> bureaucratic procedures, which is no longer accepted.
>
> Also, the organizations (NPOs) must be autonomous in their management 
> (which suggests that we'll have to do a lot of administrative reviews 
> and more to get all the administrative documentation in time, so more 
> administration and not less), and no internship for the provincial 
> coordination.
>
> In addition, we need to spend a lot of the administrative budget in 
> the hiring of a full-time coordinator, which we want for years to the 
> extent that we would have a three-year agreement or renewed in March 
> to avoid breaks, which we can't afford with uncertain agreements 
> signature or months later. Confirming the refusal to pay the time that 
> our team put.
>
> So we are a little puzzled.
>
> Monique
>
> Le 2015-06-02 à 09:23, Bev Collins a écrit :
>
>
>
>     June is when they deliberate over the proposals that came in. It's
>     changed so much that anyone who used to deliver to CAP Sites are
>     probably in trouble this year.
>
>     I sent them the CBC story that was done on lapsed funding, and the
>     reporter said it was because of delays in getting the project
>     started. We are already behind, this program is supposed to start
>     April 1. If they decide in June and provide a CA in June we will
>     still be into July and probably August for hiring.
>
>     The ones that do or will get CA's this year will be expected to do
>     more with less. It reminds me of what we said 5 or 6 years ago,
>     that they won't kill the program they will just starve it.  Well
>     now they aren't starving  it necessarily... but over complicating
>     it by micromanaging. Now even the 10% that was provided to
>     organizations to use to manage the program is being managed by
>     industry Canada.
>
>     Bev
>
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>         On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dana Perry
>         <awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca <mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>>
>         wrote:
>
>         Hi Marita...we have been able to tap into the YI program here
>         in Nova
>
>         Scotia...as for details etc I am unable to accurately report on
>
>         that...perhaps Karen Parusel can speak to that.  We are going
>         ahead
>
>         and hiring CAP youth for the summer and into the Fall/Winter in
>
>         support of the Nova Scotia Community Access Program...:)
>
>         Dana
>
>         Quoting Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>         <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>:
>
>             Thanks Clarice.  I know you folks in Manitoba use this
>             program as
>
>             does Vancouver Comm. Net and the networks Bev. works with
>             under
>
>             PCNA.  Who else out there is affected?
>
>             Marita
>
>                 On 6/1/2015 8:28 PM, cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>                 <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
>
>                 No not cancelled, but trying their best to force us to
>                 withdraw of
>
>                 our own volition. Don't think anyone has yet. I just
>                 resent them
>
>                 our major successes ( which the previous
>                 administration had)  and
>
>                 ‎some history of the program.
>
>                 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>
>                 *From: *Marita Moll
>
>                 *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 7:24 PM
>
>                 *To: *cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>                 <mailto:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>
>                 *Cc: *Bev Collins; 'TC Advisors'
>
>                 *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
>                 Hello all.  So has the program been cancelled
>                 completely, or reduced?
>
>                 Marita
>
>                     On 5/11/2015 10:12 AM, cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>                     <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
>
>                     Thanks Bev, sounds consistent with his way of
>                     thinking. ‎Too bad
>
>                     they cannot see the long term benefits of the program.
>
>                     Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>
>                     *From: *Bev Collins
>
>                     *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:01 PM
>
>                     *To: *'TC Advisors'
>
>                     *Subject: *[Advisors] YI Delays
>
>                     I see some reasons behind the delays now…
>
>                     I was told last week by our Industry Canada
>                     officer that it was
>
>                     Treasury board that “was not keen on the YI
>                     program as they
>
>                     associate it with the CAP program that ended in
>                     2012 and question
>
>                     why this program has not also ended.”   The delays
>                     are with
>
>                     Treasury Board – last year it was very late.
>
>                     If you all remember in 2010 it was then Industry
>                     Canada Minister
>
>                     Tony Clement that cancelled cap then quickly
>                     reinstated it when
>
>                     caught in a media scrum – how embarrassing was
>                     that.   Now he’s
>
>                     Treasury Board chair.
>
>                     Bev
>
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