[Advisors] YI Delays

Wed Jun 3 05:42:14 PDT 2015

I think it all happened quite fast and by surprise to be honest. We have never been asked to prepare a proposal so early. We would get the call perhaps in April or May and submit it and that was the process. (Actually April or May would've been considered early, more like June and July). We were asked early and then it was literally taken apart and we realize the program has completely changed.
For us it was so many emails on clarifications and changes with our program officer so I'm not sure they even realize there's a national group. The folks we are talking to now truly have no memory of any of the history.  I also don't think they want to. It's been made clear again that treasury board does not see the value of this program supporting old former CAP Sites.

I do wish there was a meeting like the old days where they would consult with us on how the program is delivered on the ground. There is such a difference between what they write down on paper and how it actually happens in communities. THAT is what they're missing.  That would be a valuable meeting.  Another good point for a meeting with them would be about nonprofit ICT.  I mean really?  Who gave them the idea that there was nonprofit aerospace, game developers or software developers in rural Canada. These are corporations. So for us, a reality check meeting would probably be great.

I said to our program officer in Ottawa that I thought it was sad that this was now becoming an urban program and not rural anymore.  The urban areas are way you're going to likely find anything nonprofit or an association that supports a higher degree of ICT training. Our really small rural communities really do rely on youth interns because when they are in the library or center, the community gets the ONLY  ICT training available in that community for the duration of the internship. Our program officer responded saying that the old mandate was still in place, to help those in need, the poor, aboriginal, the elderly etc.

Anyone else really missing Doug Hull and Pam Menchions 😕

Bev

PS:  this email is meant only for the TC advisors group.

On Jun 3, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net<mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:

I am wondering if it would help at all to try to arrange a meeting -- I know most people could not make it to Ottawa but it could be a teleconference at the same time.  Or have you all already aired these problems with reps in Ottawa to no avail.

Marita

On 6/2/2015 10:20 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
We won’t be able to use our admin budget (10%) on hiring a provincial coordinator – we can’t leave youth to run the program  - there MUST be non-youth oversight, reporting, financial, sending cheques, communicating with supervisors.  One way we administer the program is to leave the youth to the interns – but the supervisors, managers, administrators, library coordinators are dealt with by us.  We’ve met most of them and know them.  It makes for an easy roll-out.  I can’t EVEN imagine throwing a new person into the job of communicating to interns AND supervisors while LEARNING the program.  Next year maybe as we would make changes so that could happen – but I’m just not sure how this will work.   WE are responsible for the final reports – and these are usually done in April/May when the youth interns are long gone – I can’t imagine being left in the position of sorting through the work of interns that have worked on their own to compile reports.

Bev

From: advisors-bounces at tc.ca<mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca> [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] On Behalf Of Monique Chartrand
Sent: June 2, 2015 6:50 AM
Cc: TC Advisors
Subject: Re: [Advisors] YI Delays

Hello,
For our part, the impacts of the changes, that we’re still trying to understand the meaning, appear majors.
We understand that the internships should provide opportunities to develop ICT skills and to allow non-profit organizations, offering internships in promising fields, to benefit from those skills.
We are not sure to understand Industry Canada's definition of ICT and their link with internships in aerospace and video games NPOs. In fact, we don't find a lot of high-tech NPOs. We continue to look around for those because we’re asked to do so again and again. We also question the relevance of this type of internships that have more to do with the private sector, that already pays for those and don’t represent de facto a particular challenge for the employability of young people involved in these professions. No doubt they lack of manpower in these areas, but would those internships really make a difference?
Our two major difficulties are therefore to understand the program since Industry Canada's proposal and job description is the same as before. Yet again, it seems clear to us that the internships in the CAP sites were very powerful for young interns regarding their appropriation of the ICTs and also to help communities to use them for economic and community development based on "Connect Canada". They had an opportunity to develop certain XXI century's skills, which are the most sought after by companies across all skills.
The other challenge regards the administrative changes. In our practice, the 8% given to administrative costs (10% before benefits) was already a financial deficit that we accept to fill since we implemented a facilitating operational system regarding the bureaucratic procedures, which is no longer accepted.
Also, the organizations (NPOs) must be autonomous in their management (which suggests that we'll have to do a lot of administrative reviews and more to get all the administrative documentation in time, so more administration and not less), and no internship for the provincial coordination.
In addition, we need to spend a lot of the administrative budget in the hiring of a full-time coordinator, which we want for years to the extent that we would have a three-year agreement or renewed in March to avoid breaks, which we can't afford with uncertain agreements signature or months later. Confirming the refusal to pay the time that our team put.
So we are a little puzzled.
Monique

Le 2015-06-02 à 09:23, Bev Collins a écrit :

June is when they deliberate over the proposals that came in. It's changed so much that anyone who used to deliver to CAP Sites are probably in trouble this year.

I sent them the CBC story that was done on lapsed funding, and the reporter said it was because of delays in getting the project started. We are already behind, this program is supposed to start April 1. If they decide in June and provide a CA in June we will still be into July and probably August for hiring.

The ones that do or will get CA's this year will be expected to do more with less. It reminds me of what we said 5 or 6 years ago, that they won't kill the program they will just starve it.  Well now they aren't starving  it necessarily... but over complicating it by micromanaging. Now even the 10% that was provided to organizations to use to manage the program is being managed by industry Canada.

Bev

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On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dana Perry <awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca<mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>> wrote:

Hi Marita...we have been able to tap into the YI program here in Nova
Scotia...as for details etc I am unable to accurately report on
that...perhaps Karen Parusel can speak to that.  We are going ahead
and hiring CAP youth for the summer and into the Fall/Winter in
support of the Nova Scotia Community Access Program...:)

Dana

Quoting Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net<mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>:

Thanks Clarice.  I know you folks in Manitoba use this program as
does Vancouver Comm. Net and the networks Bev. works with under
PCNA.  Who else out there is affected?

Marita

On 6/1/2015 8:28 PM, cleader at mb.e-association.ca<mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
No not cancelled, but trying their best to force us to withdraw of
our own volition. Don't think anyone has yet. I just resent them
our major successes ( which the previous administration had)  and
‎some history of the program.

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*From: *Marita Moll
*Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 7:24 PM
*To: *cleader at mb.e-association.ca<mailto:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
*Cc: *Bev Collins; 'TC Advisors'
*Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays

Hello all.  So has the program been cancelled completely, or reduced?

Marita

On 5/11/2015 10:12 AM, cleader at mb.e-association.ca<mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
Thanks Bev, sounds consistent with his way of thinking. ‎Too bad
they cannot see the long term benefits of the program.

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
*From: *Bev Collins
*Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:01 PM
*To: *'TC Advisors'
*Subject: *[Advisors] YI Delays

I see some reasons behind the delays now…
I was told last week by our Industry Canada officer that it was
Treasury board that “was not keen on the YI program as they
associate it with the CAP program that ended in 2012 and question
why this program has not also ended.”   The delays are with
Treasury Board – last year it was very late.
If you all remember in 2010 it was then Industry Canada Minister
Tony Clement that cancelled cap then quickly reinstated it when
caught in a media scrum – how embarrassing was that.   Now he’s
Treasury Board chair.
Bev

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