[Advisors] YI Delays

Marita Moll mmoll at ca.inter.net
Wed Jun 3 06:21:51 PDT 2015


I was thinking of trying to organize a meeting with Sheila Smail.  Is 
she not the head of all access programs at the moment?

Marita


On 6/3/2015 8:42 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
> I think it all happened quite fast and by surprise to be honest. We 
> have never been asked to prepare a proposal so early. We would get the 
> call perhaps in April or May and submit it and that was the process. 
> (Actually April or May would've been considered early, more like June 
> and July). We were asked early and then it was literally taken apart 
> and we realize the program has completely changed.
> For us it was so many emails on clarifications and changes with our 
> program officer so I'm not sure they even realize there's a national 
> group. The folks we are talking to now truly have no memory of any of 
> the history.  I also don't think they want to. It's been made clear 
> again that treasury board does not see the value of this program 
> supporting old former CAP Sites.
>
> I do wish there was a meeting like the old days where they would 
> consult with us on how the program is delivered on the ground. There 
> is such a difference between what they write down on paper and how it 
> actually happens in communities. THAT is what they're missing.  That 
> would be a valuable meeting.  Another good point for a meeting with 
> them would be about nonprofit ICT.  I mean really?  Who gave them the 
> idea that there was nonprofit aerospace, game developers or software 
> developers in rural Canada. These are corporations. So for us, a 
> reality check meeting would probably be great.
>
> I said to our program officer in Ottawa that I thought it was sad that 
> this was now becoming an urban program and not rural anymore.  The 
> urban areas are way you're going to likely find anything nonprofit or 
> an association that supports a higher degree of ICT training. Our 
> really small rural communities really do rely on youth interns because 
> when they are in the library or center, the community gets the ONLY 
>  ICT training available in that community for the duration of the 
> internship. Our program officer responded saying that the old mandate 
> was still in place, to help those in need, the poor, aboriginal, the 
> elderly etc.
>
> Anyone else really missing Doug Hull and Pam Menchions 😕
>
> Bev
>
> PS:  this email is meant only for the TC advisors group.
>
> On Jun 3, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net 
> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>
>> I am wondering if it would help at all to try to arrange a meeting -- 
>> I know most people could not make it to Ottawa but it could be a 
>> teleconference at the same time.  Or have you all already aired these 
>> problems with reps in Ottawa to no avail.
>>
>> Marita
>>
>> On 6/2/2015 10:20 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>>
>>> We won’t be able to use our admin budget (10%) on hiring a 
>>> provincial coordinator – we can’t leave youth to run the program  - 
>>> there MUST be non-youth oversight, reporting, financial, sending 
>>> cheques, communicating with supervisors.  One way we administer the 
>>> program is to leave the youth to the interns – but the supervisors, 
>>> managers, administrators, library coordinators are dealt with by 
>>> us.  We’ve met most of them and know them.  It makes for an easy 
>>> roll-out.  I can’t EVEN imagine throwing a new person into the job 
>>> of communicating to interns AND supervisors while LEARNING the 
>>> program.  Next year maybe as we would make changes so that could 
>>> happen – but I’m just not sure how this will work.   WE are 
>>> responsible for the final reports – and these are usually done in 
>>> April/May when the youth interns are long gone – I can’t imagine 
>>> being left in the position of sorting through the work of interns 
>>> that have worked on their own to compile reports.
>>>
>>> Bev
>>>
>>> *From:* advisors-bounces at tc.ca [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On 
>>> Behalf Of *Monique Chartrand
>>> *Sent:* June 2, 2015 6:50 AM
>>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> For our part, the impacts of the changes, that we’re still trying to 
>>> understand the meaning, appear majors.
>>>
>>> We understand that the internships should provide opportunities to 
>>> develop ICT skills and to allow non-profit organizations, offering 
>>> internships in promising fields, to benefit from those skills.
>>>
>>> We are not sure to understand Industry Canada's definition of ICT 
>>> and their link with internships in aerospace and video games NPOs. 
>>> In fact, we don't find a lot of high-tech NPOs. We continue to look 
>>> around for those because we’re asked to do so again and again. We 
>>> also question the relevance of this type of internships that have 
>>> more to do with the private sector, that already pays for those and 
>>> don’t represent de facto a particular challenge for the 
>>> employability of young people involved in these professions. No 
>>> doubt they lack of manpower in these areas, but would those 
>>> internships really make a difference?
>>>
>>> Our two major difficulties are therefore to understand the program 
>>> since Industry Canada's proposal and job description is the same as 
>>> before. Yet again, it seems clear to us that the internships in the 
>>> CAP sites were very powerful for young interns regarding their 
>>> appropriation of the ICTs and also to help communities to use them 
>>> for economic and community development based on "Connect Canada". 
>>> They had an opportunity to develop certain XXI century's skills, 
>>> which are the most sought after by companies across all skills.
>>>
>>> The other challenge regards the administrative changes. In our 
>>> practice, the 8% given to administrative costs (10% before benefits) 
>>> was already a financial deficit that we accept to fill since we 
>>> implemented a facilitating operational system regarding the 
>>> bureaucratic procedures, which is no longer accepted.
>>>
>>> Also, the organizations (NPOs) must be autonomous in their 
>>> management (which suggests that we'll have to do a lot of 
>>> administrative reviews and more to get all the administrative 
>>> documentation in time, so more administration and not less), and no 
>>> internship for the provincial coordination.
>>>
>>> In addition, we need to spend a lot of the administrative budget in 
>>> the hiring of a full-time coordinator, which we want for years to 
>>> the extent that we would have a three-year agreement or renewed in 
>>> March to avoid breaks, which we can't afford with uncertain 
>>> agreements signature or months later. Confirming the refusal to pay 
>>> the time that our team put.
>>>
>>> So we are a little puzzled.
>>>
>>> Monique
>>>
>>> Le 2015-06-02 à 09:23, Bev Collins a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     June is when they deliberate over the proposals that came in.
>>>     It's changed so much that anyone who used to deliver to CAP
>>>     Sites are probably in trouble this year.
>>>
>>>     I sent them the CBC story that was done on lapsed funding, and
>>>     the reporter said it was because of delays in getting the
>>>     project started. We are already behind, this program is supposed
>>>     to start April 1. If they decide in June and provide a CA in
>>>     June we will still be into July and probably August for hiring.
>>>
>>>     The ones that do or will get CA's this year will be expected to
>>>     do more with less. It reminds me of what we said 5 or 6 years
>>>     ago, that they won't kill the program they will just starve it.
>>>      Well now they aren't starving  it necessarily... but over
>>>     complicating it by micromanaging. Now even the 10% that was
>>>     provided to organizations to use to manage the program is being
>>>     managed by industry Canada.
>>>
>>>     Bev
>>>
>>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dana Perry
>>>         <awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca
>>>         <mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hi Marita...we have been able to tap into the YI program
>>>         here in Nova
>>>
>>>         Scotia...as for details etc I am unable to accurately report on
>>>
>>>         that...perhaps Karen Parusel can speak to that.  We are
>>>         going ahead
>>>
>>>         and hiring CAP youth for the summer and into the Fall/Winter in
>>>
>>>         support of the Nova Scotia Community Access Program...:)
>>>
>>>         Dana
>>>
>>>         Quoting Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>>         <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>:
>>>
>>>             Thanks Clarice.  I know you folks in Manitoba use this
>>>             program as
>>>
>>>             does Vancouver Comm. Net and the networks Bev. works
>>>             with under
>>>
>>>             PCNA.  Who else out there is affected?
>>>
>>>             Marita
>>>
>>>                 On 6/1/2015 8:28 PM, cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>>                 <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 No not cancelled, but trying their best to force us
>>>                 to withdraw of
>>>
>>>                 our own volition. Don't think anyone has yet. I just
>>>                 resent them
>>>
>>>                 our major successes ( which the previous
>>>                 administration had)  and
>>>
>>>                 ‎some history of the program.
>>>
>>>                 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>
>>>                 *From: *Marita Moll
>>>
>>>                 *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 7:24 PM
>>>
>>>                 *To: *cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>>                 <mailto:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>>
>>>                 *Cc: *Bev Collins; 'TC Advisors'
>>>
>>>                 *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>>                 Hello all.  So has the program been cancelled
>>>                 completely, or reduced?
>>>
>>>                 Marita
>>>
>>>                     On 5/11/2015 10:12 AM,
>>>                     cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>>                     <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     Thanks Bev, sounds consistent with his way of
>>>                     thinking. ‎Too bad
>>>
>>>                     they cannot see the long term benefits of the
>>>                     program.
>>>
>>>                     Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>
>>>                     *From: *Bev Collins
>>>
>>>                     *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:01 PM
>>>
>>>                     *To: *'TC Advisors'
>>>
>>>                     *Subject: *[Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>>                     I see some reasons behind the delays now…
>>>
>>>                     I was told last week by our Industry Canada
>>>                     officer that it was
>>>
>>>                     Treasury board that “was not keen on the YI
>>>                     program as they
>>>
>>>                     associate it with the CAP program that ended in
>>>                     2012 and question
>>>
>>>                     why this program has not also ended.”   The
>>>                     delays are with
>>>
>>>                     Treasury Board – last year it was very late.
>>>
>>>                     If you all remember in 2010 it was then Industry
>>>                     Canada Minister
>>>
>>>                     Tony Clement that cancelled cap then quickly
>>>                     reinstated it when
>>>
>>>                     caught in a media scrum – how embarrassing was
>>>                     that.   Now he’s
>>>
>>>                     Treasury Board chair.
>>>
>>>                     Bev
>>>
>>>                     _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>                     Advisors mailing list
>>>
>>>                     Advisors at tc.ca <mailto:Advisors at tc.ca>
>>>
>>>                     http://victoria.tc.ca/mailman/listinfo/advisors
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>
>>>         Dana Perry
>>>
>>>         Regional Coordinator
>>>
>>>         Association of Western Valley C at P Sites
>>>
>>>         26 Bay Road, PO B0x 640
>>>
>>>         Bridgetown, Nova Scotia
>>>
>>>         B0S 1C0
>>>
>>>         (902) 840-2102
>>>
>>>         www.awvcaps.ca <http://www.awvcaps.ca>
>>>
>>>         awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca <mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>
>>>
>>>         CONFIDENTIALITY/PRIVACY NOTE: The information contained in
>>>         this email
>>>
>>>         is legally privileged and confidential information intended
>>>         only for
>>>
>>>         the use of the individual or entity named above. If the
>>>         reader of this
>>>
>>>         message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby
>>>         notified that
>>>
>>>         any use, dissemination, distribution, or copy of this email is
>>>
>>>         strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in
>>>         error, please
>>>
>>>         notify our office immediately.
>>>
>>>         The transmission and/or forwarding of this email information
>>>         by the
>>>
>>>         Association of Western Valley C at P Sites does not in any way
>>>         imply an
>>>
>>>         endorsement or recommendation of any programs, processes or
>>>         services
>>>
>>>         and does not warrant or assume any legal liability or
>>>         responsibility
>>>
>>>         for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any
>>>         information
>>>
>>>         contained in this email.
>>>
>>>         _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>         Advisors mailing list
>>>
>>>         Advisors at tc.ca <mailto:Advisors at tc.ca>
>>>
>>>         http://victoria.tc.ca/mailman/listinfo/advisors
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     Advisors mailing list
>>>     Advisors at tc.ca <mailto:Advisors at tc.ca>
>>>     http://victoria.tc.ca/mailman/listinfo/advisors
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Advisors mailing list
>>> Advisors at tc.ca
>>> http://victoria.tc.ca/mailman/listinfo/advisors
>>>    
>> _______________________________________________
>> Advisors mailing list
>> Advisors at tc.ca <mailto:Advisors at tc.ca>
>> http://victoria.tc.ca/mailman/listinfo/advisors
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://victoria.tc.ca/pipermail/advisors/attachments/20150603/d4c9cfa1/attachment-0001.html>


More information about the Advisors mailing list