[Advisors] YI Delays
Marita Moll
mmoll at ca.inter.net
Wed Jun 3 06:21:51 PDT 2015
I was thinking of trying to organize a meeting with Sheila Smail. Is
she not the head of all access programs at the moment?
Marita
On 6/3/2015 8:42 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
> I think it all happened quite fast and by surprise to be honest. We
> have never been asked to prepare a proposal so early. We would get the
> call perhaps in April or May and submit it and that was the process.
> (Actually April or May would've been considered early, more like June
> and July). We were asked early and then it was literally taken apart
> and we realize the program has completely changed.
> For us it was so many emails on clarifications and changes with our
> program officer so I'm not sure they even realize there's a national
> group. The folks we are talking to now truly have no memory of any of
> the history. I also don't think they want to. It's been made clear
> again that treasury board does not see the value of this program
> supporting old former CAP Sites.
>
> I do wish there was a meeting like the old days where they would
> consult with us on how the program is delivered on the ground. There
> is such a difference between what they write down on paper and how it
> actually happens in communities. THAT is what they're missing. That
> would be a valuable meeting. Another good point for a meeting with
> them would be about nonprofit ICT. I mean really? Who gave them the
> idea that there was nonprofit aerospace, game developers or software
> developers in rural Canada. These are corporations. So for us, a
> reality check meeting would probably be great.
>
> I said to our program officer in Ottawa that I thought it was sad that
> this was now becoming an urban program and not rural anymore. The
> urban areas are way you're going to likely find anything nonprofit or
> an association that supports a higher degree of ICT training. Our
> really small rural communities really do rely on youth interns because
> when they are in the library or center, the community gets the ONLY
> ICT training available in that community for the duration of the
> internship. Our program officer responded saying that the old mandate
> was still in place, to help those in need, the poor, aboriginal, the
> elderly etc.
>
> Anyone else really missing Doug Hull and Pam Menchions 😕
>
> Bev
>
> PS: this email is meant only for the TC advisors group.
>
> On Jun 3, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>
>> I am wondering if it would help at all to try to arrange a meeting --
>> I know most people could not make it to Ottawa but it could be a
>> teleconference at the same time. Or have you all already aired these
>> problems with reps in Ottawa to no avail.
>>
>> Marita
>>
>> On 6/2/2015 10:20 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>>
>>> We won’t be able to use our admin budget (10%) on hiring a
>>> provincial coordinator – we can’t leave youth to run the program -
>>> there MUST be non-youth oversight, reporting, financial, sending
>>> cheques, communicating with supervisors. One way we administer the
>>> program is to leave the youth to the interns – but the supervisors,
>>> managers, administrators, library coordinators are dealt with by
>>> us. We’ve met most of them and know them. It makes for an easy
>>> roll-out. I can’t EVEN imagine throwing a new person into the job
>>> of communicating to interns AND supervisors while LEARNING the
>>> program. Next year maybe as we would make changes so that could
>>> happen – but I’m just not sure how this will work. WE are
>>> responsible for the final reports – and these are usually done in
>>> April/May when the youth interns are long gone – I can’t imagine
>>> being left in the position of sorting through the work of interns
>>> that have worked on their own to compile reports.
>>>
>>> Bev
>>>
>>> *From:* advisors-bounces at tc.ca [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Monique Chartrand
>>> *Sent:* June 2, 2015 6:50 AM
>>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> For our part, the impacts of the changes, that we’re still trying to
>>> understand the meaning, appear majors.
>>>
>>> We understand that the internships should provide opportunities to
>>> develop ICT skills and to allow non-profit organizations, offering
>>> internships in promising fields, to benefit from those skills.
>>>
>>> We are not sure to understand Industry Canada's definition of ICT
>>> and their link with internships in aerospace and video games NPOs.
>>> In fact, we don't find a lot of high-tech NPOs. We continue to look
>>> around for those because we’re asked to do so again and again. We
>>> also question the relevance of this type of internships that have
>>> more to do with the private sector, that already pays for those and
>>> don’t represent de facto a particular challenge for the
>>> employability of young people involved in these professions. No
>>> doubt they lack of manpower in these areas, but would those
>>> internships really make a difference?
>>>
>>> Our two major difficulties are therefore to understand the program
>>> since Industry Canada's proposal and job description is the same as
>>> before. Yet again, it seems clear to us that the internships in the
>>> CAP sites were very powerful for young interns regarding their
>>> appropriation of the ICTs and also to help communities to use them
>>> for economic and community development based on "Connect Canada".
>>> They had an opportunity to develop certain XXI century's skills,
>>> which are the most sought after by companies across all skills.
>>>
>>> The other challenge regards the administrative changes. In our
>>> practice, the 8% given to administrative costs (10% before benefits)
>>> was already a financial deficit that we accept to fill since we
>>> implemented a facilitating operational system regarding the
>>> bureaucratic procedures, which is no longer accepted.
>>>
>>> Also, the organizations (NPOs) must be autonomous in their
>>> management (which suggests that we'll have to do a lot of
>>> administrative reviews and more to get all the administrative
>>> documentation in time, so more administration and not less), and no
>>> internship for the provincial coordination.
>>>
>>> In addition, we need to spend a lot of the administrative budget in
>>> the hiring of a full-time coordinator, which we want for years to
>>> the extent that we would have a three-year agreement or renewed in
>>> March to avoid breaks, which we can't afford with uncertain
>>> agreements signature or months later. Confirming the refusal to pay
>>> the time that our team put.
>>>
>>> So we are a little puzzled.
>>>
>>> Monique
>>>
>>> Le 2015-06-02 à 09:23, Bev Collins a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> June is when they deliberate over the proposals that came in.
>>> It's changed so much that anyone who used to deliver to CAP
>>> Sites are probably in trouble this year.
>>>
>>> I sent them the CBC story that was done on lapsed funding, and
>>> the reporter said it was because of delays in getting the
>>> project started. We are already behind, this program is supposed
>>> to start April 1. If they decide in June and provide a CA in
>>> June we will still be into July and probably August for hiring.
>>>
>>> The ones that do or will get CA's this year will be expected to
>>> do more with less. It reminds me of what we said 5 or 6 years
>>> ago, that they won't kill the program they will just starve it.
>>> Well now they aren't starving it necessarily... but over
>>> complicating it by micromanaging. Now even the 10% that was
>>> provided to organizations to use to manage the program is being
>>> managed by industry Canada.
>>>
>>> Bev
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dana Perry
>>> <awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca
>>> <mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Marita...we have been able to tap into the YI program
>>> here in Nova
>>>
>>> Scotia...as for details etc I am unable to accurately report on
>>>
>>> that...perhaps Karen Parusel can speak to that. We are
>>> going ahead
>>>
>>> and hiring CAP youth for the summer and into the Fall/Winter in
>>>
>>> support of the Nova Scotia Community Access Program...:)
>>>
>>> Dana
>>>
>>> Quoting Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>:
>>>
>>> Thanks Clarice. I know you folks in Manitoba use this
>>> program as
>>>
>>> does Vancouver Comm. Net and the networks Bev. works
>>> with under
>>>
>>> PCNA. Who else out there is affected?
>>>
>>> Marita
>>>
>>> On 6/1/2015 8:28 PM, cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>> <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> No not cancelled, but trying their best to force us
>>> to withdraw of
>>>
>>> our own volition. Don't think anyone has yet. I just
>>> resent them
>>>
>>> our major successes ( which the previous
>>> administration had) and
>>>
>>> some history of the program.
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>
>>> *From: *Marita Moll
>>>
>>> *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 7:24 PM
>>>
>>> *To: *cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>> <mailto:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>>
>>> *Cc: *Bev Collins; 'TC Advisors'
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>> Hello all. So has the program been cancelled
>>> completely, or reduced?
>>>
>>> Marita
>>>
>>> On 5/11/2015 10:12 AM,
>>> cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>> <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Bev, sounds consistent with his way of
>>> thinking. Too bad
>>>
>>> they cannot see the long term benefits of the
>>> program.
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>
>>> *From: *Bev Collins
>>>
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:01 PM
>>>
>>> *To: *'TC Advisors'
>>>
>>> *Subject: *[Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>> I see some reasons behind the delays now…
>>>
>>> I was told last week by our Industry Canada
>>> officer that it was
>>>
>>> Treasury board that “was not keen on the YI
>>> program as they
>>>
>>> associate it with the CAP program that ended in
>>> 2012 and question
>>>
>>> why this program has not also ended.” The
>>> delays are with
>>>
>>> Treasury Board – last year it was very late.
>>>
>>> If you all remember in 2010 it was then Industry
>>> Canada Minister
>>>
>>> Tony Clement that cancelled cap then quickly
>>> reinstated it when
>>>
>>> caught in a media scrum – how embarrassing was
>>> that. Now he’s
>>>
>>> Treasury Board chair.
>>>
>>> Bev
>>>
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