[Advisors] Fwd: Uncaught bounce notification re CAP YI
Garth Graham
garth.graham at telus.net
Sat Jun 6 06:54:22 PDT 2015
Sorry, this exchange got hung up in the list bounce processor.
GG
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> Subject: FW: [yi-delivery-agent] Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
> Date: June 5, 2015 at 9:57:51 AM PDT
> From: "Alan Schneider" <alan.schneider at lcncap.com <mailto:alan.schneider at lcncap.com>>
> To: <advisors-admin at tc.ca <mailto:advisors-admin at tc.ca>>
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> HI Marie,
> Thanks for sharing your region’s activities.
>
> I have had in-depth talks about how the “AB” YI program has been operated over the past, well, since the start of CAP, with Industry Canada people.
> My initial responsibility for this came when I took on the ED position at LCN – almost three years ago. Suffice to say, the program ran amok here – so having a framework and boundaries is a welcomed “thing” – lots to change and re-accustom ourselves as also for our IHOs.
>
> As a not for profit – that does receive government funding support, we restrict many of our services that could be seen as competing with private sector.
>
> However – you mentioned that interns are placed with businesses. I think that is very positive for all recipients – however we have always operated with the understanding that YI is specifically for not-for-profit places. What is Industry Canada’s response to this, if this is an exception ? I’d also appreciate hearing from others – as this would definitely increase our placement opportunities.
>
> I recall the old “Hire-A-Student” programs back when I was a student – (dating myself J ) but that was one of the better programs because it included the business sector – those that had many projects to grow their business and provide solid skills to interns/students. Some of the education facilities here do have their practicum requirements – that occasionally hire on the graduates. But in reality – few make it to their chosen career paths in this area..
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> Thanks in advance. Alan Schneider
>
> From: Marie Prebushewski [mailto:mpreb at sasktel.net <mailto:mpreb at sasktel.net>]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 7:34 AM
> To: Alan Schneider; yi-delivery-agent at vancouvercommunity.net <mailto:yi-delivery-agent at vancouvercommunity.net>; "'advisors-admin at tc.ca <mailto:advisors-admin at tc.ca>'"@mail145c7.megamailservers.com <http://mail145c7.megamailservers.com/>
> Cc: vcned at vcn.bc.ca <mailto:vcned at vcn.bc.ca>
> Subject: RE: [yi-delivery-agent] Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
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> Hi Everyone
> I have been following the discussions closely. We in Saskatchewan are not in the loop as much as some of you because we do not manage the program. We coordinate the YI program through two non-profit organizations as the province is divided in half – east and west. We concentrate mostly on rural and aboriginal communities. We changed our focus last year and place our YI in small businesses where they learn the about the business, use technology to support the business and participate in the daily activities of the business. We have no shortage of applicants for this focus. The youth often find employment with the businesses after they finish their internship. We hope the program continues so l look forward to any updates.
>
> Marie Prebushewski
> Executive Director & Projects Manager
> Thickwood Hills Regional Business Services
> Aboriginal Business Service Network (Western half of SK)
> Phone: 306-549-4726
> Fax: 888-259-5 997
>
> From: yi-delivery-agent-owner at vancouvercommunity.net <mailto:yi-delivery-agent-owner at vancouvercommunity.net> [mailto:yi-delivery-agent-owner at vancouvercommunity.net <mailto:yi-delivery-agent-owner at vancouvercommunity.net>] On Behalf Of Alan Schneider
> Sent: June-02-15 4:00 PM
> To: yi-delivery-agent at vancouvercommunity.net <mailto:yi-delivery-agent at vancouvercommunity.net>
> Cc: vcned at vcn.bc.ca <mailto:vcned at vcn.bc.ca>
> Subject: RE: [yi-delivery-agent] Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
> Hi everyone,
> This is Alan in Lethbridge (LethbridgeCommunityNetwork.com <http://lethbridgecommunitynetwork.com/>)
>
> The final closing of the previous year is always cumbersome – with (administrative)expenses not covered this year, and with the lateness in paying final claims – it puts pressure on all involved – (us, and hosts!).
> As you all know many are smaller organizations that could use the funds sooner than … later.
>
> I am not sure where people get their “hearsay” from – but … I am under the impression that the YI group is getting cohesive on the game plan – and that this year should be the best year for it to be administered – ONCE it gets through signing. Well, that’s my personal thought after talking to the Industry Canada representatives. They too are dealing with change - . And with most people new to the program, we do become caught in the bipartisan politics of the government. L Sadly nothing we can do to assist them - .
>
> We (like years before ) have heard from Industry Canada that it is a go for another year – however, like the IHOs, we must wait for a written commitment before we proceed in hiring for coordinators etc. Not efficient –but we are a smaller not for profit that cannot afford the luxury of additional payroll costs. But that is promising to know the funds will be there, the program is moving forward and it IS an election year. JJ
>
> I wanted to reach out to see if anyone has a good employment posting for regional coordinator (or provincial coordinator) roles used to hire candidates. At this time of year most of the ‘great ones “ are already set for their summer and out –of-school careers – so any assistance from others would be great.
>
> We all share the “pains” in this program – but, our organization does benefit from this – as does the youth we hire – and the IHOs we support.
>
> One other notable mention – we were in discussions with the Industry Canada – and one of this year’s bigger changes is the IHO ITC projects/or intern tasks. They are looking for more significant roles than a computer support person - We have been providing basic computer training to lower income and seniors (teaching up to 300 per year) and we can make the training materials available to the IHOs if they are interested. If anyone has other projects or jobs with milestones we can share with our potential IHOs, I’d be interested in exchanging info.
>
> Thanks for reading everyone,
>
> And, for all of us that have the “Community Network” – maybe we can get a forum together to share how we contribute to the communities and make it happen financially. We are pushing forward to put out a Free Public Wi-Fi initiative in the city – despite lack of municipal interest –(public of course!) Take a minute to learn about us and the proposal (PowerPoint)
> http://lethbridgecommunitynetwork.com/urbanwifi.html <http://lethbridgecommunitynetwork.com/urbanwifi.html>
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> Regards,
>
> Alan Schneider
>
> Lethbridge Community Network.
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>
>
> From: yi-delivery-agent-owner at vancouvercommunity.net <mailto:yi-delivery-agent-owner at vancouvercommunity.net> [mailto:yi-delivery-agent-owner at vancouvercommunity.net <mailto:yi-delivery-agent-owner at vancouvercommunity.net>] On Behalf Of Monique Chartrand
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 3:08 PM
> Cc: yi-delivery-agent at vancouvercommunity.net <mailto:yi-delivery-agent at vancouvercommunity.net>
> Subject: Re: [yi-delivery-agent] Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
> We didn't received it... and it is a big issue actually...
>
> Monique
>
> Le 2015-06-02 à 16:54, cleader at mb.e-association.ca <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> a écrit :
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> We have not received our third or fourth ( final) claim. They have indicated that they hired additional people who started I believe it was Monday to work on the claims.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> From: Tracey Axelsson
> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 3:17 PM
> To: yi-delivery-agent at vancouvercommunity.net <mailto:yi-delivery-agent at vancouvercommunity.net>
> Subject: [yi-delivery-agent] Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
> Hi all
>
> Please follow the discussion chain here.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has received their final disbursement?
>
> all the best
>
> Tracey
> =============
> Tracey Axelsson
> Executive Director
> Vancouver Community Network
> T: 778.724.0241 ext. 602
> C: 604.831.3793
> On 2015-06-02 7:20 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
> We won’t be able to use our admin budget (10%) on hiring a provincial coordinator – we can’t leave youth to run the program - there MUST be non-youth oversight, reporting, financial, sending cheques, communicating with supervisors. One way we administer the program is to leave the youth to the interns – but the supervisors, managers, administrators, library coordinators are dealt with by us. We’ve met most of them and know them. It makes for an easy roll-out. I can’t EVEN imagine throwing a new person into the job of communicating to interns AND supervisors while LEARNING the program. Next year maybe as we would make changes so that could happen – but I’m just not sure how this will work. WE are responsible for the final reports – and these are usually done in April/May when the youth interns are long gone – I can’t imagine being left in the position of sorting through the work of interns that have worked on their own to compile reports.
>
> Bev
>
> From: advisors-bounces at tc.ca <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca> [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca>] On Behalf Of Monique Chartrand
> Sent: June 2, 2015 6:50 AM
> Cc: TC Advisors
> Subject: Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
> Hello,
> For our part, the impacts of the changes, that we’re still trying to understand the meaning, appear majors.
> We understand that the internships should provide opportunities to develop ICT skills and to allow non-profit organizations, offering internships in promising fields, to benefit from those skills.
> We are not sure to understand Industry Canada's definition of ICT and their link with internships in aerospace and video games NPOs. In fact, we don't find a lot of high-tech NPOs. We continue to look around for those because we’re asked to do so again and again. We also question the relevance of this type of internships that have more to do with the private sector, that already pays for those and don’t represent de facto a particular challenge for the employability of young people involved in these professions. No doubt they lack of manpower in these areas, but would those internships really make a difference?
> Our two major difficulties are therefore to understand the program since Industry Canada's proposal and job description is the same as before. Yet again, it seems clear to us that the internships in the CAP sites were very powerful for young interns regarding their appropriation of the ICTs and also to help communities to use them for economic and community development based on "Connect Canada". They had an opportunity to develop certain XXI century's skills, which are the most sought after by companies across all skills.
> The other challenge regards the administrative changes. In our practice, the 8% given to administrative costs (10% before benefits) was already a financial deficit that we accept to fill since we implemented a facilitating operational system regarding the bureaucratic procedures, which is no longer accepted.
> Also, the organizations (NPOs) must be autonomous in their management (which suggests that we'll have to do a lot of administrative reviews and more to get all the administrative documentation in time, so more administration and not less), and no internship for the provincial coordination.
> In addition, we need to spend a lot of the administrative budget in the hiring of a full-time coordinator, which we want for years to the extent that we would have a three-year agreement or renewed in March to avoid breaks, which we can't afford with uncertain agreements signature or months later. Confirming the refusal to pay the time that our team put.
> So we are a little puzzled.
> Monique
>
>
> Le 2015-06-02 à 09:23, Bev Collins a écrit :
>
>
> June is when they deliberate over the proposals that came in. It's changed so much that anyone who used to deliver to CAP Sites are probably in trouble this year.
>
> I sent them the CBC story that was done on lapsed funding, and the reporter said it was because of delays in getting the project started. We are already behind, this program is supposed to start April 1. If they decide in June and provide a CA in June we will still be into July and probably August for hiring.
>
> The ones that do or will get CA's this year will be expected to do more with less. It reminds me of what we said 5 or 6 years ago, that they won't kill the program they will just starve it. Well now they aren't starving it necessarily... but over complicating it by micromanaging. Now even the 10% that was provided to organizations to use to manage the program is being managed by industry Canada.
>
> Bev
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dana Perry <awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca <mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>> wrote:
>
> Hi Marita...we have been able to tap into the YI program here in Nova
> Scotia...as for details etc I am unable to accurately report on
> that...perhaps Karen Parusel can speak to that. We are going ahead
> and hiring CAP youth for the summer and into the Fall/Winter in
> support of the Nova Scotia Community Access Program...:)
>
> Dana
>
>
> Quoting Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>:
>
> Thanks Clarice. I know you folks in Manitoba use this program as
> does Vancouver Comm. Net and the networks Bev. works with under
> PCNA. Who else out there is affected?
>
> Marita
>
> On 6/1/2015 8:28 PM, cleader at mb.e-association.ca <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
> No not cancelled, but trying their best to force us to withdraw of
> our own volition. Don't think anyone has yet. I just resent them
> our major successes ( which the previous administration had) and
> some history of the program.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> *From: *Marita Moll
> *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 7:24 PM
> *To: *cleader at mb.e-association.ca <mailto:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
> *Cc: *Bev Collins; 'TC Advisors'
> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
>
> Hello all. So has the program been cancelled completely, or reduced?
>
> Marita
>
> On 5/11/2015 10:12 AM, cleader at mb.e-association.ca <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca> wrote:
> Thanks Bev, sounds consistent with his way of thinking. Too bad
> they cannot see the long term benefits of the program.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> *From: *Bev Collins
> *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:01 PM
> *To: *'TC Advisors'
> *Subject: *[Advisors] YI Delays
>
>
> I see some reasons behind the delays now…
> I was told last week by our Industry Canada officer that it was
> Treasury board that “was not keen on the YI program as they
> associate it with the CAP program that ended in 2012 and question
> why this program has not also ended.” The delays are with
> Treasury Board – last year it was very late.
> If you all remember in 2010 it was then Industry Canada Minister
> Tony Clement that cancelled cap then quickly reinstated it when
> caught in a media scrum – how embarrassing was that. Now he’s
> Treasury Board chair.
> Bev
>
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