[Advisors] YI Delays
Tracey Axelsson
vcned at vcn.bc.ca
Tue Jun 9 10:10:03 PDT 2015
I'm in then.
Just let me know where to 'be'. I can Skype anytime -- tracey.axelsson
all the best
Tracey
=============
Tracey Axelsson
Executive Director
Vancouver Community Network
T: 778.724.0241 ext. 602
C: 604.831.3793
On 2015-06-09 10:06 AM, cleader at mb.e-association.ca wrote:
> Tracey I think you would be an asset, you represent the new face of YI
> and have limited ties to the old CAP program they want to distance
> themselves from. Personally I think if we can show we are open to
> change but need to know up front what those changes are and how we can
> "make there jobs easier " we may stand a better chance of actually
> being heard.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> *From: *Tracey Axelsson
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 9, 2015 11:53 AM
> *To: *advisors at tc.ca
> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I am not sure i would be an asset at this kind of meeting. I have way
> less experience running the program.
>
> But if you need an extra face in the crowd I'd be there!
>
> all the best
>
> Tracey
> =============
> Tracey Axelsson
> Executive Director
> Vancouver Community Network
> T: 778.724.0241 ext. 602
> C: 604.831.3793
> On 2015-06-08 5:53 PM, Marita Moll wrote:
>> Okay, who would be interested in attending a meeting with Sheila
>> Smail -- either in person or via teleconference? If it is going to
>> include me, this would have to be done before the end of June.
>>
>> Marita
>>
>> On 6/3/2015 10:36 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>>
>>> CBC ran the story on lapsed funding clearly pointing to the
>>> government as the fault for delays…..yet we are being made to feel
>>> like it’s our fault. Perhaps it getting “out” wouldn’t be such a
>>> bad idea :/
>>>
>>> *From:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca [mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca]
>>> *Sent:* June 3, 2015 7:28 AM
>>> *To:* Bev Collins; Monique Chartrand
>>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>> Tentative agreement, not sure I believe it will be of any use.
>>> Budget is passed, direction given with regard to it and all
>>> government staff will now be in a weird holding pattern until after
>>> the election. Energy may be better spent ensuring those running for
>>> election know in the ridings you serve know the history and value of
>>> the program. So that whichever party gets in knows this is an
>>> important issue to the people who live in their riding. However, a
>>> meeting may be of use in that it would give them an out if the press
>>> gets hold of it, and they can say "oh we are or have met with
>>> representatives of these delivery agents". Whether they would then
>>> be able to act on it and relieve the strain for this year I doubt
>>> very much. Sorry all, having been a government employee advising a
>>> minister on program delivery for twenty plus years before taking on
>>> MBE makes me somewhat jaded as to the outcome of such meetings.
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>
>>> *From: *Bev Collins
>>>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 3, 2015 9:01 AM
>>>
>>> *To: *Monique Chartrandensuring
>>>
>>> *Cc: *TC Advisors
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>> Agree!
>>>
>>> *From:*advisors-bounces at tc.ca <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca>
>>> [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On Behalf Of *Monique Chartrand
>>> *Sent:* June 3, 2015 6:26 AM
>>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>> Yes she is and It is a very good idea !
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Monique
>>>
>>> Le 2015-06-03 à 09:21, Marita Moll a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was thinking of trying to organize a meeting with Sheila
>>> Smail. Is she not the head of all access programs at the moment?
>>>
>>> Marita
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/3/2015 8:42 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it all happened quite fast and by surprise to be
>>> honest. We have never been asked to prepare a proposal so
>>> early. We would get the call perhaps in April or May and
>>> submit it and that was the process. (Actually April or May
>>> would've been considered early, more like June and July). We
>>> were asked early and then it was literally taken apart and
>>> we realize the program has completely changed.
>>>
>>> For us it was so many emails on clarifications and changes
>>> with our program officer so I'm not sure they even realize
>>> there's a national group. The folks we are talking to now
>>> truly have no memory of any of the history. I also don't
>>> think they want to. It's been made clear again that
>>> treasury board does not see the value of this program
>>> supporting old former CAP Sites.
>>>
>>> I do wish there was a meeting like the old days where they
>>> would consult with us on how the program is delivered on the
>>> ground. There is such a difference between what they write
>>> down on paper and how it actually happens in communities.
>>> THAT is what they're missing. That would be a valuable
>>> meeting. Another good point for a meeting with them would
>>> be about nonprofit ICT. I mean really? Who gave them the
>>> idea that there was nonprofit aerospace, game developers or
>>> software developers in rural Canada. These are corporations.
>>> So for us, a reality check meeting would probably be great.
>>>
>>> I said to our program officer in Ottawa that I thought it
>>> was sad that this was now becoming an urban program and not
>>> rural anymore. The urban areas are way you're going to
>>> likely find anything nonprofit or an association that
>>> supports a higher degree of ICT training. Our really small
>>> rural communities really do rely on youth interns because
>>> when they are in the library or center, the community gets
>>> the ONLY ICT training available in that community for the
>>> duration of the internship. Our program officer responded
>>> saying that the old mandate was still in place, to help
>>> those in need, the poor, aboriginal, the elderly etc.
>>>
>>> Anyone else really missing Doug Hull and Pam Menchions 😕
>>>
>>>
>>> Bev
>>>
>>> PS: this email is meant only for the TC advisors group.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am wondering if it would help at all to try to arrange
>>> a meeting -- I know most people could not make it to
>>> Ottawa but it could be a teleconference at the same
>>> time. Or have you all already aired these problems with
>>> reps in Ottawa to no avail.
>>>
>>> Marita
>>>
>>> On 6/2/2015 10:20 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>>
>>> We won’t be able to use our admin budget (10%) on
>>> hiring a provincial coordinator – we can’t leave
>>> youth to run the program - there MUST be non-youth
>>> oversight, reporting, financial, sending cheques,
>>> communicating with supervisors. One way we
>>> administer the program is to leave the youth to the
>>> interns – but the supervisors, managers,
>>> administrators, library coordinators are dealt with
>>> by us. We’ve met most of them and know them. It
>>> makes for an easy roll-out. I can’t EVEN imagine
>>> throwing a new person into the job of communicating
>>> to interns AND supervisors while LEARNING the
>>> program. Next year maybe as we would make changes
>>> so that could happen – but I’m just not sure how
>>> this will work. WE are responsible for the final
>>> reports – and these are usually done in April/May
>>> when the youth interns are long gone – I can’t
>>> imagine being left in the position of sorting
>>> through the work of interns that have worked on
>>> their own to compile reports.
>>>
>>> Bev
>>>
>>> *From:*advisors-bounces at tc.ca
>>> <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca>
>>> [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Monique Chartrand
>>> *Sent:* June 2, 2015 6:50 AM
>>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> For our part, the impacts of the changes, that we’re
>>> still trying to understand the meaning, appear majors.
>>>
>>> We understand that the internships should provide
>>> opportunities to develop ICT skills and to allow
>>> non-profit organizations, offering internships in
>>> promising fields, to benefit from those skills.
>>>
>>> We are not sure to understand Industry Canada's
>>> definition of ICT and their link with internships in
>>> aerospace and video games NPOs. In fact, we don't
>>> find a lot of high-tech NPOs. We continue to look
>>> around for those because we’re asked to do so again
>>> and again. We also question the relevance of this
>>> type of internships that have more to do with the
>>> private sector, that already pays for those and
>>> don’t represent de facto a particular challenge for
>>> the employability of young people involved in these
>>> professions. No doubt they lack of manpower in these
>>> areas, but would those internships really make a
>>> difference?
>>>
>>> Our two major difficulties are therefore to
>>> understand the program since Industry Canada's
>>> proposal and job description is the same as before.
>>> Yet again, it seems clear to us that the internships
>>> in the CAP sites were very powerful for young
>>> interns regarding their appropriation of the ICTs
>>> and also to help communities to use them for
>>> economic and community development based on "Connect
>>> Canada". They had an opportunity to develop certain
>>> XXI century's skills, which are the most sought
>>> after by companies across all skills.
>>>
>>> The other challenge regards the administrative
>>> changes. In our practice, the 8% given to
>>> administrative costs (10% before benefits) was
>>> already a financial deficit that we accept to fill
>>> since we implemented a facilitating operational
>>> system regarding the bureaucratic procedures, which
>>> is no longer accepted.
>>>
>>> Also, the organizations (NPOs) must be autonomous in
>>> their management (which suggests that we'll have to
>>> do a lot of administrative reviews and more to get
>>> all the administrative documentation in time, so
>>> more administration and not less), and no internship
>>> for the provincial coordination.
>>>
>>> In addition, we need to spend a lot of the
>>> administrative budget in the hiring of a full-time
>>> coordinator, which we want for years to the extent
>>> that we would have a three-year agreement or renewed
>>> in March to avoid breaks, which we can't afford with
>>> uncertain agreements signature or months later.
>>> Confirming the refusal to pay the time that our team
>>> put.
>>>
>>> So we are a little puzzled.
>>>
>>> Monique
>>>
>>> Le 2015-06-02 à 09:23, Bev Collins a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> June is when they deliberate over the proposals
>>> that came in. It's changed so much that anyone
>>> who used to deliver to CAP Sites are probably in
>>> trouble this year.
>>>
>>> I sent them the CBC story that was done on
>>> lapsed funding, and the reporter said it was
>>> because of delays in getting the project
>>> started. We are already behind, this program is
>>> supposed to start April 1. If they decide in
>>> June and provide a CA in June we will still be
>>> into July and probably August for hiring.
>>>
>>> The ones that do or will get CA's this year will
>>> be expected to do more with less. It reminds me
>>> of what we said 5 or 6 years ago, that they
>>> won't kill the program they will just starve it.
>>> Well now they aren't starving it
>>> necessarily... but over complicating it by
>>> micromanaging. Now even the 10% that was
>>> provided to organizations to use to manage the
>>> program is being managed by industry Canada.
>>>
>>> Bev
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dana Perry
>>> <awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca
>>> <mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Marita...we have been able to tap into
>>> the YI program here in Nova
>>>
>>> Scotia...as for details etc I am unable to
>>> accurately report on
>>>
>>> that...perhaps Karen Parusel can speak to
>>> that. We are going ahead
>>>
>>> and hiring CAP youth for the summer and into
>>> the Fall/Winter in
>>>
>>> support of the Nova Scotia Community Access
>>> Program...:)
>>>
>>> Dana
>>>
>>> Quoting Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>:
>>>
>>> Thanks Clarice. I know you folks in
>>> Manitoba use this program as
>>>
>>> does Vancouver Comm. Net and the
>>> networks Bev. works with under
>>>
>>> PCNA. Who else out there is affected?
>>>
>>> Marita
>>>
>>> On 6/1/2015 8:28 PM,
>>> cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>> <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No not cancelled, but trying their
>>> best to force us to withdraw of
>>>
>>> our own volition. Don't think anyone
>>> has yet. I just resent them
>>>
>>> our major successes ( which the
>>> previous administration had) and
>>>
>>> some history of the program.
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>
>>> *From: *Marita Moll
>>>
>>> *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 7:24 PM
>>>
>>> *To: *cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>> <mailto:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>>
>>> *Cc: *Bev Collins; 'TC Advisors'
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>> Hello all. So has the program been
>>> cancelled completely, or reduced?
>>>
>>> Marita
>>>
>>> On 5/11/2015 10:12 AM,
>>> cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>> <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Bev, sounds consistent
>>> with his way of thinking. Too bad
>>>
>>> they cannot see the long term
>>> benefits of the program.
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10
>>> smartphone.
>>>
>>> *From: *Bev Collins
>>>
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:01 PM
>>>
>>> *To: *'TC Advisors'
>>>
>>> *Subject: *[Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>> I see some reasons behind the
>>> delays now…
>>>
>>> I was told last week by our
>>> Industry Canada officer that it was
>>>
>>> Treasury board that “was not
>>> keen on the YI program as they
>>>
>>> associate it with the CAP
>>> program that ended in 2012 and
>>> question
>>>
>>> why this program has not also
>>> ended.” The delays are with
>>>
>>> Treasury Board – last year it
>>> was very late.
>>>
>>> If you all remember in 2010 it
>>> was then Industry Canada Minister
>>>
>>> Tony Clement that cancelled cap
>>> then quickly reinstated it when
>>>
>>> caught in a media scrum – how
>>> embarrassing was that. Now he’s
>>>
>>> Treasury Board chair.
>>>
>>> Bev
>>>
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