[Advisors] YI Delays

Tracey Axelsson vcned at vcn.bc.ca
Tue Jun 9 10:10:03 PDT 2015


I'm in then.

Just let me know where to 'be'.  I can Skype anytime -- tracey.axelsson



all the best

Tracey
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Tracey Axelsson
Executive Director
Vancouver Community Network
T: 778.724.0241 ext. 602
C: 604.831.3793

On 2015-06-09 10:06 AM, cleader at mb.e-association.ca wrote:
> Tracey I think you would be an asset, you represent the new face of YI 
> and have limited ties to the old CAP program they want to distance 
> themselves from. Personally I think if we can show we are open to 
> change but need to know up front what those changes are and how we can 
> "make there jobs easier " we may stand a better chance of actually 
> being heard.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> *From: *Tracey Axelsson
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 9, 2015 11:53 AM
> *To: *advisors at tc.ca
> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I am not sure i would be an asset at this kind of meeting.  I have way 
> less experience running the program.
>
> But if you need an extra face in the crowd I'd be there!
>
> all the best
>
> Tracey
> =============
> Tracey Axelsson
> Executive Director
> Vancouver Community Network
> T: 778.724.0241 ext. 602
> C: 604.831.3793
> On 2015-06-08 5:53 PM, Marita Moll wrote:
>> Okay, who would be interested in attending a meeting with Sheila 
>> Smail -- either in person or via teleconference?  If it is going to 
>> include me, this would have to be done before the end of June.
>>
>> Marita
>>
>> On 6/3/2015 10:36 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>>
>>> CBC ran the story on lapsed funding clearly pointing to the 
>>> government as the fault for delays…..yet we are being made to feel 
>>> like it’s our fault.  Perhaps it getting “out” wouldn’t be such a 
>>> bad idea :/
>>>
>>> *From:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca [mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca]
>>> *Sent:* June 3, 2015 7:28 AM
>>> *To:* Bev Collins; Monique Chartrand
>>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>> Tentative agreement, not sure I believe it will be of any use. 
>>> Budget is passed, direction given with regard to it and all 
>>> government staff will now be in a weird holding pattern until after 
>>> the election. Energy may be better spent ensuring those running for 
>>> election know in the ridings you serve know the history and value of 
>>> the program. So that whichever party gets in knows this is an 
>>> important issue to the people who live in their riding. However, a 
>>> meeting may be of use in that it would give them an out if the press 
>>> gets hold of it, and they can say "oh we are or have met with 
>>> representatives of these delivery agents". Whether they would then 
>>> be able to act on it and relieve the strain for this year I doubt 
>>> very much. Sorry all, having been a government employee advising a 
>>> minister on program delivery for twenty plus years before taking on 
>>> MBE  makes me somewhat jaded as to the outcome of such meetings.
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>
>>> *From: *Bev Collins
>>>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 3, 2015 9:01 AM
>>>
>>> *To: *Monique Chartrandensuring‎
>>>
>>> *Cc: *TC Advisors
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>> Agree!
>>>
>>> *From:*advisors-bounces at tc.ca <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca> 
>>> [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On Behalf Of *Monique Chartrand
>>> *Sent:* June 3, 2015 6:26 AM
>>> *Cc:* TC Advisors
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>> Yes she is and It is a very good idea !
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Monique
>>>
>>> Le 2015-06-03 à 09:21, Marita Moll a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     I was thinking of trying to organize a meeting with Sheila
>>>     Smail.  Is she not the head of all access programs at the moment?
>>>
>>>     Marita
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 6/3/2015 8:42 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>         I think it all happened quite fast and by surprise to be
>>>         honest. We have never been asked to prepare a proposal so
>>>         early. We would get the call perhaps in April or May and
>>>         submit it and that was the process. (Actually April or May
>>>         would've been considered early, more like June and July). We
>>>         were asked early and then it was literally taken apart and
>>>         we realize the program has completely changed.
>>>
>>>         For us it was so many emails on clarifications and changes
>>>         with our program officer so I'm not sure they even realize
>>>         there's a national group. The folks we are talking to now
>>>         truly have no memory of any of the history.  I also don't
>>>         think they want to. It's been made clear again that
>>>         treasury board does not see the value of this program
>>>         supporting old former CAP Sites.
>>>
>>>         I do wish there was a meeting like the old days where they
>>>         would consult with us on how the program is delivered on the
>>>         ground. There is such a difference between what they write
>>>         down on paper and how it actually happens in communities.
>>>         THAT is what they're missing.  That would be a valuable
>>>         meeting.  Another good point for a meeting with them would
>>>         be about nonprofit ICT.  I mean really?  Who gave them the
>>>         idea that there was nonprofit aerospace, game developers or
>>>         software developers in rural Canada. These are corporations.
>>>         So for us, a reality check meeting would probably be great.
>>>
>>>         I said to our program officer in Ottawa that I thought it
>>>         was sad that this was now becoming an urban program and not
>>>         rural anymore.  The urban areas are way you're going to
>>>         likely find anything nonprofit or an association that
>>>         supports a higher degree of ICT training. Our really small
>>>         rural communities really do rely on youth interns because
>>>         when they are in the library or center, the community gets
>>>         the ONLY  ICT training available in that community for the
>>>         duration of the internship. Our program officer responded
>>>         saying that the old mandate was still in place, to help
>>>         those in need, the poor, aboriginal, the elderly etc.
>>>
>>>         Anyone else really missing Doug Hull and Pam Menchions 😕
>>>
>>>
>>>         Bev
>>>
>>>         PS:  this email is meant only for the TC advisors group.
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Jun 3, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>>         <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             I am wondering if it would help at all to try to arrange
>>>             a meeting -- I know most people could not make it to
>>>             Ottawa but it could be a teleconference at the same
>>>             time.  Or have you all already aired these problems with
>>>             reps in Ottawa to no avail.
>>>
>>>             Marita
>>>
>>>             On 6/2/2015 10:20 AM, Bev Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>                 We won’t be able to use our admin budget (10%) on
>>>                 hiring a provincial coordinator – we can’t leave
>>>                 youth to run the program  - there MUST be non-youth
>>>                 oversight, reporting, financial, sending cheques,
>>>                 communicating with supervisors.  One way we
>>>                 administer the program is to leave the youth to the
>>>                 interns – but the supervisors, managers,
>>>                 administrators, library coordinators are dealt with
>>>                 by us. We’ve met most of them and know them.  It
>>>                 makes for an easy roll-out.  I can’t EVEN imagine
>>>                 throwing a new person into the job of communicating
>>>                 to interns AND supervisors while LEARNING the
>>>                 program.  Next year maybe as we would make changes
>>>                 so that could happen – but I’m just not sure how
>>>                 this will work.   WE are responsible for the final
>>>                 reports – and these are usually done in April/May
>>>                 when the youth interns are long gone – I can’t
>>>                 imagine being left in the position of sorting
>>>                 through the work of interns that have worked on
>>>                 their own to compile reports.
>>>
>>>                 Bev
>>>
>>>                 *From:*advisors-bounces at tc.ca
>>>                 <mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca>
>>>                 [mailto:advisors-bounces at tc.ca] *On Behalf Of
>>>                 *Monique Chartrand
>>>                 *Sent:* June 2, 2015 6:50 AM
>>>                 *Cc:* TC Advisors
>>>                 *Subject:* Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>>                 Hello,
>>>
>>>                 For our part, the impacts of the changes, that we’re
>>>                 still trying to understand the meaning, appear majors.
>>>
>>>                 We understand that the internships should provide
>>>                 opportunities to develop ICT skills and to allow
>>>                 non-profit organizations, offering internships in
>>>                 promising fields, to benefit from those skills.
>>>
>>>                 We are not sure to understand Industry Canada's
>>>                 definition of ICT and their link with internships in
>>>                 aerospace and video games NPOs. In fact, we don't
>>>                 find a lot of high-tech NPOs. We continue to look
>>>                 around for those because we’re asked to do so again
>>>                 and again. We also question the relevance of this
>>>                 type of internships that have more to do with the
>>>                 private sector, that already pays for those and
>>>                 don’t represent de facto a particular challenge for
>>>                 the employability of young people involved in these
>>>                 professions. No doubt they lack of manpower in these
>>>                 areas, but would those internships really make a
>>>                 difference?
>>>
>>>                 Our two major difficulties are therefore to
>>>                 understand the program since Industry Canada's
>>>                 proposal and job description is the same as before.
>>>                 Yet again, it seems clear to us that the internships
>>>                 in the CAP sites were very powerful for young
>>>                 interns regarding their appropriation of the ICTs
>>>                 and also to help communities to use them for
>>>                 economic and community development based on "Connect
>>>                 Canada". They had an opportunity to develop certain
>>>                 XXI century's skills, which are the most sought
>>>                 after by companies across all skills.
>>>
>>>                 The other challenge regards the administrative
>>>                 changes. In our practice, the 8% given to
>>>                 administrative costs (10% before benefits) was
>>>                 already a financial deficit that we accept to fill
>>>                 since we implemented a facilitating operational
>>>                 system regarding the bureaucratic procedures, which
>>>                 is no longer accepted.
>>>
>>>                 Also, the organizations (NPOs) must be autonomous in
>>>                 their management (which suggests that we'll have to
>>>                 do a lot of administrative reviews and more to get
>>>                 all the administrative documentation in time, so
>>>                 more administration and not less), and no internship
>>>                 for the provincial coordination.
>>>
>>>                 In addition, we need to spend a lot of the
>>>                 administrative budget in the hiring of a full-time
>>>                 coordinator, which we want for years to the extent
>>>                 that we would have a three-year agreement or renewed
>>>                 in March to avoid breaks, which we can't afford with
>>>                 uncertain agreements signature or months later.
>>>                 Confirming the refusal to pay the time that our team
>>>                 put.
>>>
>>>                 So we are a little puzzled.
>>>
>>>                 Monique
>>>
>>>                 Le 2015-06-02 à 09:23, Bev Collins a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                     June is when they deliberate over the proposals
>>>                     that came in. It's changed so much that anyone
>>>                     who used to deliver to CAP Sites are probably in
>>>                     trouble this year.
>>>
>>>                     I sent them the CBC story that was done on
>>>                     lapsed funding, and the reporter said it was
>>>                     because of delays in getting the project
>>>                     started. We are already behind, this program is
>>>                     supposed to start April 1. If they decide in
>>>                     June and provide a CA in June we will still be
>>>                     into July and probably August for hiring.
>>>
>>>                     The ones that do or will get CA's this year will
>>>                     be expected to do more with less. It reminds me
>>>                     of what we said 5 or 6 years ago, that they
>>>                     won't kill the program they will just starve it.
>>>                      Well now they aren't starving  it
>>>                     necessarily... but over complicating it by
>>>                     micromanaging. Now even the 10% that was
>>>                     provided to organizations to use to manage the
>>>                     program is being managed by industry Canada.
>>>
>>>                     Bev
>>>
>>>                     Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                         On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dana Perry
>>>                         <awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca
>>>                         <mailto:awvcscor at valleylibrary.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         Hi Marita...we have been able to tap into
>>>                         the YI program here in Nova
>>>
>>>                         Scotia...as for details etc I am unable to
>>>                         accurately report on
>>>
>>>                         that...perhaps Karen Parusel can speak to
>>>                         that.  We are going ahead
>>>
>>>                         and hiring CAP youth for the summer and into
>>>                         the Fall/Winter in
>>>
>>>                         support of the Nova Scotia Community Access
>>>                         Program...:)
>>>
>>>                         Dana
>>>
>>>                         Quoting Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>>                         <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>>:
>>>
>>>                             Thanks Clarice.  I know you folks in
>>>                             Manitoba use this program as
>>>
>>>                             does Vancouver Comm. Net and the
>>>                             networks Bev. works with under
>>>
>>>                             PCNA.  Who else out there is affected?
>>>
>>>                             Marita
>>>
>>>                                 On 6/1/2015 8:28 PM,
>>>                                 cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>>                                 <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>>                                 wrote:
>>>
>>>                                 No not cancelled, but trying their
>>>                                 best to force us to withdraw of
>>>
>>>                                 our own volition. Don't think anyone
>>>                                 has yet. I just resent them
>>>
>>>                                 our major successes ( which the
>>>                                 previous administration had)  and
>>>
>>>                                 ‎some history of the program.
>>>
>>>                                 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>
>>>                                 *From: *Marita Moll
>>>
>>>                                 *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 7:24 PM
>>>
>>>                                 *To: *cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>>                                 <mailto:*cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>>
>>>                                 *Cc: *Bev Collins; 'TC Advisors'
>>>
>>>                                 *Subject: *Re: [Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>>                                 Hello all.  So has the program been
>>>                                 cancelled completely, or reduced?
>>>
>>>                                 Marita
>>>
>>>                                     On 5/11/2015 10:12 AM,
>>>                                     cleader at mb.e-association.ca
>>>                                     <mailto:cleader at mb.e-association.ca>
>>>                                     wrote:
>>>
>>>                                     Thanks Bev, sounds consistent
>>>                                     with his way of thinking. ‎Too bad
>>>
>>>                                     they cannot see the long term
>>>                                     benefits of the program.
>>>
>>>                                     Sent from my BlackBerry 10
>>>                                     smartphone.
>>>
>>>                                     *From: *Bev Collins
>>>
>>>                                     *Sent: *Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:01 PM
>>>
>>>                                     *To: *'TC Advisors'
>>>
>>>                                     *Subject: *[Advisors] YI Delays
>>>
>>>                                     I see some reasons behind the
>>>                                     delays now…
>>>
>>>                                     I was told last week by our
>>>                                     Industry Canada officer that it was
>>>
>>>                                     Treasury board that “was not
>>>                                     keen on the YI program as they
>>>
>>>                                     associate it with the CAP
>>>                                     program that ended in 2012 and
>>>                                     question
>>>
>>>                                     why this program has not also
>>>                                     ended.”   The delays are with
>>>
>>>                                     Treasury Board – last year it
>>>                                     was very late.
>>>
>>>                                     If you all remember in 2010 it
>>>                                     was then Industry Canada Minister
>>>
>>>                                     Tony Clement that cancelled cap
>>>                                     then quickly reinstated it when
>>>
>>>                                     caught in a media scrum – how
>>>                                     embarrassing was that.   Now he’s
>>>
>>>                                     Treasury Board chair.
>>>
>>>                                     Bev
>>>
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