[Advisors] request: What is a community network
Brian Beaton
brian.beaton at knet.ca
Tue Jun 20 09:45:14 PDT 2017
Marita .. The parent organization (Keewaytinook Okimakanak) that made this
decision is not-for-profit and the same board (the chiefs of the First
Nations) are the directors of their for-profit entity. That is one of the
reasons I am suggesting a neutral definition that includes those groups that
are trying to make community networks work ..
Brian
From: Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:38:23 -0400
To: Brian Beaton <brian.beaton at knet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Advisors] request: What is a community network
Oh, thanks Brian. That's interesting. Are you sure these are not
"not-for-profit" corporations? Some are pretty profitable, despite the name
-- i.e. CIRA -- but profits must go back to corporation or specific causes
rather than share holders, individuals, etc.
Marita
On 6/20/2017 11:21 AM, Brian Beaton wrote:
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> Marita .. I would suggest ³digital technology organizations² in place of
> ³not-for-profit organizations² .. Mainly because some communities decide to
> operate their networks as profit centres for the benefit of the community.
> Thunder Bay¹s TBayTel contributes over $10M annually to the city (used to
> anyway). After I left KNET, the parent organization decided to make it a
> corporation to create revenue for other community projects. Everything evolves
> .. Brian
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> From: Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>
> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:00:31 -0400
> To: Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net>
> Cc: Garth Graham <garth.graham at telus.net>, TC Advisors <advisors at tc.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Advisors] request: What is a community network
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> On 15 June 2017 at 15:38, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net> wrote:
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>> Thanks a lot Garth. They are currently saying CN's (for which they have no
>> definition) that would qualify for their special policy have to be 100%
>> volunteer driven. They know that's unrealistic. So, besides cobbling this and
>> anything else that comes my way into a "definition", I will have to find a
>> way to address that as well.
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>> On 6/15/2017 12:15 PM, Garth Graham wrote:
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>>> Mining our own TC web site, here¹s a range of thoughts on definition. You
>>> now have far better idea of how these might be shoe-horned to fit ARIN¹s
>>> needs than I wouldŠ..
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>>> http://tc.ca/bylaw1v.2016.rtf
>>> [TC] Membership is open to
>>> (a) Canadian electronic community networking organizations, including public
>>> access sites, learning networks, community networks, libraries and other
>>> organizations that support the aims and objectives of Telecommunities Canada
>>> and that it:
>>> € operate on a not-for-profit basis;
>>> € have their legal membership open to every citizen of their community;
>>> € provide equitable access to all citizens in their community;
>>> € encourage exchange, publication and access to the broadest possible range
>>> of information of interest to the community;
>>> € endeavour to create connections with other computer based networks and to
>>> allow the free and interactive flow of information between different
>>> communities;
>>> € and whose membership application has been approved from time to time by
>>> the board of directors
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>>> http://tc.ca/newapproach.txt
>>> "Telecommunities Canada (TC) has never taken the conventional view of social
>>> change as technology driven. We have always assumed there is an emerging
>>> set of social and cultural changes of which the Internet is a symptom and
>>> then asked, "What new social forms are the most viable in that new
>>> environment?" TC's answer is that the form or process called "community,"
>>> re-defined by being online, is the one most viable. In that view then,
>>> community networking is not defined institutionally.
>>> Community networking is defined as the shared experiences of communities of
>>> practice related to understanding how community is achieved in the online
>>> context as a public good and an essential socio-economic goal.²
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>>> Etienne Wenger. Communities of practice: learning, meaning, and identity.
>>> Cambridge University Press, 1998. 45.
>>> ³Being alive as human beings means that we are constantly engaged in the
>>> pursuit of enterprises of all kinds, from ensuring our physical survival to
>>> seeking the most lofty pleasures. As we define these enterprises and engage
>>> in their pursuit together, we interact with each other and with the world
>>> and we tune our relationships with each other and the world accordingly. In
>>> other words, we learn.²
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>>> ³Over time, this collective learning results in practices that reflect both
>>> the pursuit of our enterprises and the attendant social relationships. These
>>> practices are thus the property of a kind of community created over time by
>>> the sustained pursuit of a shared enterprise. It makes sense, therefore, to
>>> call these kinds of communities communities of practice.²
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>>> WHAT COMMUNITY NETWORKS ARE ALL ABOUT http://tc.ca/allabout.html
>>> There are four major concerns that should preoccupy a community network
>>> association and thus define the local electronic public space it sustains:
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>>> COMMUNITY - because the intersection of virtual community and geographical
>>> community requires a new approach to community development
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>>> COMMONS - because a community network's primary responsibility is the
>>> defense of universal access to electronic public space as a commons
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>>> CONTENT- because the content of the electronic public space that the
>>> community network provides through computer mediated communications is not a
>>> commodity. It's behaviour. It's a dynamic process of informing through
>>> dialogue, and it's the chief means of learning netiquette (the rules of
>>> social interaction and citizenship in cyberspace)
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>>> CARRIER - because there are many possible routes in and out of a community
>>> network, but the community networking association is responsible for
>>> moderating the experience of being there.
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>>> Towards a National Strategy for Digital Inclusion
>>> http://tc.ca/digital_inc4.pdf
>>> "Internationally, ³telecentres² is the word used for what Canadians have
>>> called ³community access.² A telecentre is a public place where people can
>>> access computers, the internet, and other digital technologies that enable
>>> people to gather information, create, learn, and communicate with others
>>> while they develop essential 21st-century digital skills. A telecentre
>>> provides public access to a variety of online tools and resources in the
>>> context of demographically and socio-economically dynamic communities, ever
>>> changing technologies, and locally driven social and digital initiatives."
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>>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 6:31 AM, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net>
>>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net> wrote:
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>>>> Hello all. I have agreed to give an opinion to a ARIN (American Registry
>>>> for Internet Numbers), from our side of the 49th, on the question: What is
>>>> a community network?
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>>>> The purpose is to retain this language on the ARIN policy manual. Currently
>>>> it is recognized that Community Networks are not the same as private ISPs
>>>> and are given special consideration with respect to the cost of purchasing
>>>> blocks of Internet addresses (specifically IPV6). It would be good not to
>>>> lose that, even if it is hardly used. ARIN (despite the name) serves all of
>>>> North America so it does affect us.
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>>>> Marita
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