[Advisors] rightscon declaration from Toronto mtg.

[Peter Frampton]

I too would be reticent!
(Too often my City promotes itself as a “leader” when in fact we are “laggards”)


Brian, as always, your points are dead on!

Peter Frampton
pframpton at lefca.org



> On May 20, 2018, at 8:13 PM, Brian Beaton <brian.beaton at knet.ca> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing this one Marita .. I think this is an important
> beginning document that we might want to consider as a building block
> instead of just signing onto it .. Maybe I am just adverse to signing onto
> anything that is labelled as ³The Toronto Declaration² [smiles] .. This
> document might work for those in that city or wherever the original
> version comes from but I would hope TC is more representative of all of
> Canada ..
> 
> Some thoughts for everyone¹s consideration ..
> 
> * The lack of any reference in this document to the digital divides and
> realities that exist in Canada between urban and remote/rural communities;
> infrastructure gaps and realities across the country; access to resources
> to create and sustain equitable infrastructure; etc are very problematic
> in this document.
> 
> * I am also concerned about the language throughout the document that
> seems to me to simply continue the type of competitive, white, male
> dominated aspects of this industry. I think these types of ³declarations²
> by well-intended folks need to also include recognizing and respecting the
> work that is necessary to protect the land, water, environment that
> provides for our survival. Recognizing gender biases in the document might
> also help me feel better about it ..
> 
> * Maybe in my quick scan of this document (I might be wrong here [smiles])
> but I find this effort to address AI challenges to be very fear-based;
> i.e. We need to be protected from this unknown entity that industry is
> utilizing or might be utilizing in the future. I think we need to be doing
> better as we challenge any misuse of machines by industry to create
> inequities and problems in our society.
> 
> This declaration might be useful in the hands of the right politician who
> is willing to start creating laws, programs and policies to address AI but
> as it stands I think it continues to leave many folks in the dark about
> the challenges ahead of us. I guess my question would be ³how is it in our
> interest to sign onto something like this document?"
> 
> I think I will stop here to see what others think .. Brian
> 
> 
> On 2018-05-20, 2:10 PM, "Marita Moll" <mmoll at ca.inter.net> wrote:
> 
>> The Toronto Declaration: protecting the right to equality and
>> non-discrimination in machine learning systems
>> 
>> https://www.accessnow.org/the-toronto-declaration-protecting-the-rights-to
>> -equality-and-non-discrimination-in-machine-learning-systems/
>> 
>> This declaration is open for sign on by organizations. Should TC sign on
>> to this?
>> 
>> Marita
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