Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
Gareth Shearman
shearman at victoria.tc.ca
Sat, 22 Dec 2012 00:57:18 -0800
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It is a very interesting idea, James.
I think the parallel with the Auto clubs is a good one.
Gareth
On 2012-12-21, at 9:21 PM, James Van Leeuwen wrote:
> Perhaps this is an idea that TC and ISOC might be interested to =
explore collaboratively.=20
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> If there were to be such an organization, it would make sense to =
leverage it for the same kind of policy advocacy that TC is already =
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> It might incorporate TC's capacities and expertise... I would like to =
hear TC's thoughts around such an idea.=20
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> On 2012-12-21, at 9:52 PM, "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com> =
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>> I must say I like your idea on this James=85 Not sure I have any =
time/energy to put in to develop it, but I'ld pay $20 a year as a sort =
of insurance if I had access to the digital equivalent of road side =
service on call. (I need something right now=85 :(
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>> I think it could fly with enough marketing push=85
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>> From: James Van Leeuwen [mailto:jvl@ventus.ca]=20
>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:06 PM
>> To: michael gurstein
>> Cc: garykenward@eastlink.ca; Evan Leibovitch; advisors@tc.ca
>> Subject: Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet =
Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
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>> Michael,
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>> implementation begins with crafting simple, consistent and compelling =
value propositions to digital tool users (instead of advocacy positions =
for government or industry).
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>> Doing this right will mean not just membership in large numbers, but =
substantial operating revenue from membership fees.
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>> For convenience, assume there were ten million digital tool users in =
Canada (conservative).
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>> Assume that one percent of these were willing to spend $10 for an =
annual membership (100,000 members).
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>> How much impact could a national 'Digital User Club' have with an =
operating budget of $1 million, given the enormous leverage of the =
Internet for engaging and serving ICT users?
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>> Assume the Club excelled in fulfilling its mandate to its members, =
and after ten years there were five million Canadians paying $20 for an =
annual membership.
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>> How much impact could the Club have with an operating budget of $100 =
million?
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>> That's the kind of serious leadership clout Canada is going to need =
to catch up with the world and get back in the lead.
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>> The $1 million and $100 million revenue figures are both realistic =
objectives for three-year and ten-year growth plans.
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>> By comparison, the Canadian Automobile Association now serves 5.6 =
million members through nine regional auto clubs which collectively =
operate 140 offices across the country.
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>> For every dozen people on this email distribution, there should be an =
average of two CAA members.=20
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>> I am one myself.
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>> What value propositions did Auto Clubs offer to early motorists?
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>> These clubs emerged in abundance just over a century ago, generally =
to address the need for better road networks and better protocols for =
using road networks (rules of the road, including speed limits).
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>> They really took off when Ford began producing the Model T (1908), =
because motoring suddenly became affordable for a much greater =
percentage of the population (strong parallel to proliferation of ICT).=20=
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>> Club activities focused on lobbying local and senior governments for =
more investment in new and better roads (as we need with broadband), and =
lobbying automobile industries to adopt more and better design and =
manufacturing standards (as we need for ICT).=20
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>> Key issues with the auto industry were enabling interchangeability of =
parts (standards), improving overall reliability, and reducing the =
overall costs of owning and operating automobiles (as we need with ICT - =
I'm sick of replacing defunct batteries).
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>> Auto Clubs pioneered the fields of automobile damage and liability =
insurance, which remain key sources of revenue for them (--> lower risk =
and cost of ownership).
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>> They also pioneered roadside assistance, which I've used at least =
half a dozen times in my thirty-five years of driving (--> lower =
operating risk).=20
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>> In climates like ours, this service alone is worth the cost of my =
annual CAA membership.
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>> Imagine the same for ICT, with on-site diagnostics and repairs, =
including replacing dead batteries (seriously).
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>> I don't want to have to book an appointment with a 'genius' at the =
Apple Store.=20
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>> In my hour of need, I want technical support to come to me.=20
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>> Many local and regional associations were initially called Good Road =
Associations, and today there are slightly different organizations that =
now operate under the same name.=20
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>> They generally serve the interests of municipal governments, rather =
than directly serving the interests of motorists.
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>> It didn't take long for governments to recognize the value of more =
and better roads to improving liberty, security and prosperity, and they =
understandably became a high priority in government affairs.
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>> They remain so to this day, and broadband networks will eventually =
enjoy similar status.=20
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>> As road networks and protocols improved and motoring became =
commonplace, Auto Clubs grew and amalgamated, and broadened the scope of =
their activities.=20
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>> Their emphasis shifted from improving road networks and protocols to =
improving design and operation of automobiles, with security as their =
overarching objective (motoring is still a leading cause of death and =
injury).
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>> We can thank Auto Clubs for driving industry adoption of seatbelts, =
and more recently, for driving government adoption of mandatory seatbelt =
legislation.
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>> Most recently, they have played central roles in driving government =
adoption of distracted driving legislation.
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>> There are similar needs for ICT users, as the Amanda Todd story =
powerfully illustrates.=20
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>> Cyberbullying can have tragic consequences.=20
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>> So can cyberfraud.=20
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>> I drafted that eCitizen Club discussion paper more than three years =
ago.
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>> The document could use some revision, but the basic concept makes =
even more sense to me now than it did back then.=20
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>> I have since lost virtually all confidence in the leadership =
abilities of government and industry for advancing digital economy and =
society in Canada.=20
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>> They cannot lead effectively, and if I could wave a magic wand and =
conjure the leadership I think we require, it would look a lot like the =
eCitizen Club as I envision it.=20
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>> The best I can do for now is stimulate interest and dialog around the =
idea, in the hope of shaping it into something actionable.
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>> It's up the flagpole...=20
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>> James
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>> On 2012-12-21, at 4:28 PM, "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com> =
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>> Thanks James, yes I remember reading this earlier=85 It is a very =
interesting idea but I have no idea how one would go about implementing =
it=85 and to some degree it is what ISOC is attempting to do=85
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>> From: James Van Leeuwen [mailto:jvl@ventus.ca]=20
>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 6:52 AM
>> To: garykenward@eastlink.ca; michael gurstein; advisors@tc.ca; Evan =
Leibovitch
>> Subject: Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet =
Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
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>> Forgot the attachment (thanks Michael)
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">It is =
a very interesting idea, James.<div><br></div><div>I think the parallel =
with the Auto clubs is a good =
one.</div><div><br></div><div>Gareth</div><div><br><div><div>On =
2012-12-21, at 9:21 PM, James Van Leeuwen wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dwindows-1252"><base href=3D"x-msg://4916/"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Perhaps this is an idea that TC =
and ISOC might be interested to explore =
collaboratively. <div><br></div><div>If there were to be such an =
organization, it would make sense to leverage it for the same kind of =
policy advocacy that TC is already =
doing. </div><div><br></div><div>It might incorporate TC's =
capacities and expertise... I would like to hear TC's thoughts around =
such an =
idea. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>JvL</div><div><br></di=
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iv><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On =
2012-12-21, at 9:52 PM, "michael gurstein" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
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"><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I must say I like your =
idea on this James=85 Not sure I have any time/energy to put in to =
develop it, but I'ld pay $20 a year as a sort of insurance if I had =
access to the digital equivalent of road side service on call. (I need =
something right now=85 :(<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I think it could fly =
with enough marketing push=85<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin:=
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
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style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
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">M<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
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rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style=3D"border-style: =
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; =
">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>James =
Van Leeuwen [mailto:jvl@<a href=3D"http://ventus.ca/" style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline; ">ventus.ca</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, December 21, 2012 =
8:06 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>michael =
gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline; ">garykenward@eastlink.ca</a>; Evan =
Leibovitch;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:advisors@tc.ca" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline; ">advisors@tc.ca</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Values vs. Interests in =
IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression =
of interest + survey<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; ">Michael,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
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"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">implementation begins with crafting simple, consistent and compelling =
value propositions to digital tool users (instead of advocacy positions =
for government or industry).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; ">Doing this right will mean not just membership in =
large numbers, but substantial operating revenue from membership =
fees.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">For =
convenience, assume there were ten million digital tool users in Canada =
(conservative).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">Assume that one percent of these were willing to spend $10 for an =
annual membership (100,000 members).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; ">How much impact could a national 'Digital User =
Club' have with an operating budget of $1 million, given the enormous =
leverage of the Internet for engaging and serving ICT =
users?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">Assume the Club excelled in fulfilling its mandate to its members, and =
after ten years there were five million Canadians paying $20 for an =
annual membership.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">How =
much impact could the Club have with an operating budget of $100 =
million?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">That's the kind of serious leadership clout Canada is going to need to =
catch up with the world and get back in the =
lead.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The =
$1 million and $100 million revenue figures are both realistic =
objectives for three-year and ten-year growth =
plans.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">By =
comparison, the Canadian Automobile Association now serves 5.6 million =
members through nine regional auto clubs which collectively operate 140 =
offices across the country.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; ">For every dozen people on this email distribution, =
there should be an average of two CAA =
members. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I am =
one myself.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">What =
value propositions did Auto Clubs offer to early =
motorists?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">These clubs emerged in abundance just over a century ago, generally to =
address the need for better road networks and better protocols for using =
road networks (rules of the road, including speed =
limits).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">They =
really took off when Ford began producing the Model T (1908), because =
motoring suddenly became affordable for a much greater percentage of the =
population (strong parallel to proliferation of =
ICT). <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Club =
activities focused on lobbying local and senior governments for more =
investment in new and better roads (as we need with broadband), and =
lobbying automobile industries to adopt more and better design and =
manufacturing standards (as we need for =
ICT). <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Key =
issues with the auto industry were enabling interchangeability of parts =
(standards), improving overall reliability, and reducing the overall =
costs of owning and operating automobiles (as we need with ICT - I'm =
sick of replacing defunct batteries).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; ">Auto Clubs pioneered the fields of automobile =
damage and liability insurance, which remain key sources of revenue for =
them (--> lower risk and cost of =
ownership).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">They =
also pioneered roadside assistance, which I've used at least half a =
dozen times in my thirty-five years of driving (--> lower operating =
risk). <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">In =
climates like ours, this service alone is worth the cost of my annual =
CAA membership.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">Imagine the same for ICT, with on-site diagnostics and repairs, =
including replacing dead batteries =
(seriously).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I =
don't want to have to book an appointment with a 'genius' at the Apple =
Store. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">In =
my hour of need, I want technical support to come to<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><i>me</i></b>. <o:p><=
/o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Many =
local and regional associations were initially called Good Road =
Associations, and today there are slightly different organizations that =
now operate under the same name. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; ">They generally serve the interests of municipal =
governments, rather than directly serving the interests of =
motorists.<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">It =
didn't take long for governments to recognize the value of more and =
better roads to improving liberty, security and prosperity, and they =
understandably became a high priority in government =
affairs.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">They =
remain so to this day, and broadband networks will eventually enjoy =
similar status. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">As =
road networks and protocols improved and motoring became commonplace, =
Auto Clubs grew and amalgamated, and broadened the scope of their =
activities. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">Their emphasis shifted from improving road networks and protocols to =
improving design and operation of automobiles, with security as their =
overarching objective (motoring is still a leading cause of death and =
injury).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">We =
can thank Auto Clubs for driving industry adoption of seatbelts, and =
more recently, for driving government adoption of mandatory seatbelt =
legislation.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Most =
recently, they have played central roles in driving government adoption =
of distracted driving legislation.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; ">There are similar needs for ICT users, as the =
Amanda Todd story powerfully =
illustrates. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">Cyberbullying can have tragic =
consequences. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">So =
can cyberfraud. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I =
drafted that eCitizen Club discussion paper more than three years =
ago.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The =
document could use some revision, but the basic concept makes even more =
sense to me now than it did back =
then. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I =
have since lost virtually all confidence in the leadership abilities of =
government and industry for advancing digital economy and society in =
Canada. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">They =
cannot lead effectively, and if I could wave a magic wand and conjure =
the leadership I think we require, it would look a lot like the eCitizen =
Club as I envision it. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; ">The best I can do for now is stimulate interest and =
dialog around the idea, in the hope of shaping it into something =
actionable.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">It's =
up the flagpole... <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
">James<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On =
2012-12-21, at 4:28 PM, "michael gurstein" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline; ">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thanks James, yes I =
remember reading this earlier=85 It is a very interesting idea but I =
have no idea how one would go about implementing it=85 and to some =
degree it is what ISOC is attempting to =
do=85</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">M</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in; "><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> </span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">James Van =
Leeuwen [mailto:jvl@<a href=3D"http://ventus.ca/" style=3D"color: =
purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span style=3D"color: purple; =
">ventus.ca</span></a>]<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, December 21, 2012 =
6:52 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a=
href=3D"mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline; "><span style=3D"color: purple; =
">garykenward@eastlink.ca</span></a>; michael gurstein;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:advisors@tc.ca" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: =
underline; "><span style=3D"color: purple; ">advisors@tc.ca</span></a>; =
Evan Leibovitch<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Values vs. Interests in =
IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression =
of interest + survey</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif; ">Forgot the attachment (thanks =
Michael)<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"> <o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></=
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