Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society
activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
Marita Moll
mmoll at ca.inter.net
Sat, 22 Dec 2012 10:06:35 -0500
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I love the practicality of it. Gathering people together around
something they want and need would be to follow in the footsteps of
every cooperative on the planet. //
I still think that such an endeavour would benefit from the expertise in
the Canadian community economic development network which has chapters
across the country.
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http://ccednet-rcdec.ca/en/regional_networks
Marita
On 12/22/2012 3:57 AM, Gareth Shearman wrote:
> It is a very interesting idea, James.
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> I think the parallel with the Auto clubs is a good one.
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> Gareth
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> On 2012-12-21, at 9:21 PM, James Van Leeuwen wrote:
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>> Perhaps this is an idea that TC and ISOC might be interested to
>> explore collaboratively.
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>> If there were to be such an organization, it would make sense to
>> leverage it for the same kind of policy advocacy that TC is already
>> doing.
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>> It might incorporate TC's capacities and expertise... I would like to
>> hear TC's thoughts around such an idea.
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>> JvL
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>> On 2012-12-21, at 9:52 PM, "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com
>> <mailto:gurstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> I must say I like your idea on this James… Not sure I have any
>>> time/energy to put in to develop it, but I'ld pay $20 a year as a
>>> sort of insurance if I had access to the digital equivalent of road
>>> side service on call. (I need something right now… :(
>>> I think it could fly with enough marketing push…
>>> M
>>> *From:* James Van Leeuwen [mailto:jvl@ventus.ca <http://ventus.ca/>]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2012 8:06 PM
>>> *To:* michael gurstein
>>> *Cc:* garykenward@eastlink.ca <mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca>; Evan
>>> Leibovitch; advisors@tc.ca <mailto:advisors@tc.ca>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors]
>>> Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
>>> Michael,
>>> implementation begins with crafting simple, consistent and
>>> compelling value propositions to digital tool users (instead of
>>> advocacy positions for government or industry).
>>> Doing this right will mean not just membership in large numbers, but
>>> substantial operating revenue from membership fees.
>>> For convenience, assume there were ten million digital tool users in
>>> Canada (conservative).
>>> Assume that one percent of these were willing to spend $10 for an
>>> annual membership (100,000 members).
>>> How much impact could a national 'Digital User Club' have with an
>>> operating budget of $1 million, given the enormous leverage of the
>>> Internet for engaging and serving ICT users?
>>> Assume the Club excelled in fulfilling its mandate to its members,
>>> and after ten years there were five million Canadians paying $20 for
>>> an annual membership.
>>> How much impact could the Club have with an operating budget of $100
>>> million?
>>> That's the kind of serious leadership clout Canada is going to need
>>> to catch up with the world and get back in the lead.
>>> The $1 million and $100 million revenue figures are both realistic
>>> objectives for three-year and ten-year growth plans.
>>> By comparison, the Canadian Automobile Association now serves 5.6
>>> million members through nine regional auto clubs which collectively
>>> operate 140 offices across the country.
>>> For every dozen people on this email distribution, there should be
>>> an average of two CAA members.
>>> I am one myself.
>>> What value propositions did Auto Clubs offer to early motorists?
>>> These clubs emerged in abundance just over a century ago, generally
>>> to address the need for better road networks and better protocols
>>> for using road networks (rules of the road, including speed limits).
>>> They really took off when Ford began producing the Model T (1908),
>>> because motoring suddenly became affordable for a much greater
>>> percentage of the population (strong parallel to proliferation of ICT).
>>> Club activities focused on lobbying local and senior governments for
>>> more investment in new and better roads (as we need with broadband),
>>> and lobbying automobile industries to adopt more and better design
>>> and manufacturing standards (as we need for ICT).
>>> Key issues with the auto industry were enabling interchangeability
>>> of parts (standards), improving overall reliability, and reducing
>>> the overall costs of owning and operating automobiles (as we need
>>> with ICT - I'm sick of replacing defunct batteries).
>>> Auto Clubs pioneered the fields of automobile damage and liability
>>> insurance, which remain key sources of revenue for them (--> lower
>>> risk and cost of ownership).
>>> They also pioneered roadside assistance, which I've used at least
>>> half a dozen times in my thirty-five years of driving (--> lower
>>> operating risk).
>>> In climates like ours, this service alone is worth the cost of my
>>> annual CAA membership.
>>> Imagine the same for ICT, with on-site diagnostics and repairs,
>>> including replacing dead batteries (seriously).
>>> I don't want to have to book an appointment with a 'genius' at the
>>> Apple Store.
>>> In my hour of need, I want technical support to come to */me/*.
>>> Many local and regional associations were initially called Good Road
>>> Associations, and today there are slightly different organizations
>>> that now operate under the same name.
>>> They generally serve the interests of municipal governments, rather
>>> than directly serving the interests of motorists.
>>> It didn't take long for governments to recognize the value of more
>>> and better roads to improving liberty, security and prosperity, and
>>> they understandably became a high priority in government affairs.
>>> They remain so to this day, and broadband networks will eventually
>>> enjoy similar status.
>>> As road networks and protocols improved and motoring became
>>> commonplace, Auto Clubs grew and amalgamated, and broadened the
>>> scope of their activities.
>>> Their emphasis shifted from improving road networks and protocols to
>>> improving design and operation of automobiles, with security as
>>> their overarching objective (motoring is still a leading cause of
>>> death and injury).
>>> We can thank Auto Clubs for driving industry adoption of seatbelts,
>>> and more recently, for driving government adoption of mandatory
>>> seatbelt legislation.
>>> Most recently, they have played central roles in driving government
>>> adoption of distracted driving legislation.
>>> There are similar needs for ICT users, as the Amanda Todd story
>>> powerfully illustrates.
>>> Cyberbullying can have tragic consequences.
>>> So can cyberfraud.
>>> I drafted that eCitizen Club discussion paper more than three years ago.
>>> The document could use some revision, but the basic concept makes
>>> even more sense to me now than it did back then.
>>> I have since lost virtually all confidence in the leadership
>>> abilities of government and industry for advancing digital economy
>>> and society in Canada.
>>> They cannot lead effectively, and if I could wave a magic wand and
>>> conjure the leadership I think we require, it would look a lot like
>>> the eCitizen Club as I envision it.
>>> The best I can do for now is stimulate interest and dialog around
>>> the idea, in the hope of shaping it into something actionable.
>>> It's up the flagpole...
>>> James
>>> On 2012-12-21, at 4:28 PM, "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:gurstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>>
>>> Thanks James, yes I remember reading this earlier… It is a very
>>> interesting idea but I have no idea how one would go about
>>> implementing it… and to some degree it is what ISOC is attempting to do…
>>> M
>>> *From:* James Van Leeuwen [mailto:jvl@ventus.ca <http://ventus.ca/>]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2012 6:52 AM
>>> *To:* garykenward@eastlink.ca <mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca>;
>>> michael gurstein; advisors@tc.ca <mailto:advisors@tc.ca>; Evan
>>> Leibovitch
>>> *Subject:* Re: Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors]
>>> Internet Society activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey
>>> Forgot the attachment (thanks Michael)
>>
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I love the practicality of it. Gathering people together around
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I still think that such an endeavour would benefit from the expertise
in the Canadian community economic development network which has
chapters across the country. <br>
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On 12/22/2012 3:57 AM, Gareth Shearman wrote:
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<div>On 2012-12-21, at 9:52 PM, "michael gurstein" <<a
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must say I like your idea on this James… Not sure I have any
time/energy to put in to develop it, but I'ld pay $20 a year as a sort
of insurance if I had access to the digital equivalent of road side
service on call. (I need something right now… :(<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>James Van Leeuwen [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jvl@">mailto:jvl@</a><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ventus.ca/"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">ventus.ca</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
December 21, 2012 8:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>michael
gurstein<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">garykenward@eastlink.ca</a>;
Evan Leibovitch;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:advisors@tc.ca"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">advisors@tc.ca</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society
activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Michael,<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">implementation
begins with crafting simple, consistent and compelling value
propositions to digital tool users (instead of advocacy positions for
government or industry).<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Doing
this right will mean not just membership in large numbers, but
substantial operating revenue from membership fees.<o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">For
convenience, assume there were ten million digital tool users in Canada
(conservative).<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Assume
that one percent of these were willing to spend $10 for an annual
membership (100,000 members).<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">How
much impact could a national 'Digital User Club' have with an operating
budget of $1 million, given the enormous leverage of the Internet for
engaging and serving ICT users?<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Assume
the Club excelled in fulfilling its mandate to its members, and after
ten years there were five million Canadians paying $20 for an annual
membership.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">How
much impact could the Club have with an operating budget of $100
million?<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">That's
the kind of serious leadership clout Canada is going to need to catch
up with the world and get back in the lead.<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">The
$1 million and $100 million revenue figures are both realistic
objectives for three-year and ten-year growth plans.<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">By
comparison, the Canadian Automobile Association now serves 5.6 million
members through nine regional auto clubs which collectively operate 140
offices across the country.<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">For
every dozen people on this email distribution, there should be an
average of two CAA members. <o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">I
am one myself.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">What
value propositions did Auto Clubs offer to early motorists?<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">These
clubs emerged in abundance just over a century ago, generally to
address the need for better road networks and better protocols for
using road networks (rules of the road, including speed limits).<o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">They
really took off when Ford began producing the Model T (1908), because
motoring suddenly became affordable for a much greater percentage of
the population (strong parallel to proliferation of ICT). <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Club
activities focused on lobbying local and senior governments for more
investment in new and better roads (as we need with broadband), and
lobbying automobile industries to adopt more and better design and
manufacturing standards (as we need for ICT). <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Key
issues with the auto industry were enabling interchangeability of parts
(standards), improving overall reliability, and reducing the overall
costs of owning and operating automobiles (as we need with ICT - I'm
sick of replacing defunct batteries).<o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Auto
Clubs pioneered the fields of automobile damage and liability
insurance, which remain key sources of revenue for them (--> lower
risk and cost of ownership).<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">They
also pioneered roadside assistance, which I've used at least half a
dozen times in my thirty-five years of driving (--> lower operating
risk). <o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">In
climates like ours, this service alone is worth the cost of my annual
CAA membership.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Imagine
the same for ICT, with on-site diagnostics and repairs, including
replacing dead batteries (seriously).<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">I
don't want to have to book an appointment with a 'genius' at the Apple
Store. <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">In
my hour of need, I want technical support to come to<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><i>me</i></b>. <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Many
local and regional associations were initially called Good Road
Associations, and today there are slightly different organizations that
now operate under the same name. <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">They
generally serve the interests of municipal governments, rather than
directly serving the interests of motorists.<o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">It
didn't take long for governments to recognize the value of more and
better roads to improving liberty, security and prosperity, and they
understandably became a high priority in government affairs.<o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">They
remain so to this day, and broadband networks will eventually enjoy
similar status. <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">As
road networks and protocols improved and motoring became commonplace,
Auto Clubs grew and amalgamated, and broadened the scope of their
activities. <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Their
emphasis shifted from improving road networks and protocols to
improving design and operation of automobiles, with security as their
overarching objective (motoring is still a leading cause of death and
injury).<o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">We
can thank Auto Clubs for driving industry adoption of seatbelts, and
more recently, for driving government adoption of mandatory seatbelt
legislation.<o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Most
recently, they have played central roles in driving government adoption
of distracted driving legislation.<o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">There
are similar needs for ICT users, as the Amanda Todd story powerfully
illustrates. <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Cyberbullying
can have tragic consequences. <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">So
can cyberfraud. <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">I
drafted that eCitizen Club discussion paper more than three years ago.<o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">The
document could use some revision, but the basic concept makes even more
sense to me now than it did back then. <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">I
have since lost virtually all confidence in the leadership abilities of
government and industry for advancing digital economy and society in
Canada. <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">They
cannot lead effectively, and if I could wave a magic wand and conjure
the leadership I think we require, it would look a lot like the
eCitizen Club as I envision it. <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">The
best I can do for now is stimulate interest and dialog around the idea,
in the hope of shaping it into something actionable.<o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">It's
up the flagpole... <o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">James<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
</div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
<div>
<div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">On
2012-12-21, at 4:28 PM, "michael gurstein" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">gurstein@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks
James, yes I remember reading this earlier… It is a very interesting
idea but I have no idea how one would go about implementing it… and to
some degree it is what ISOC is attempting to do…</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">M</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;"> </span></span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">James Van
Leeuwen [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jvl@">mailto:jvl@</a><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ventus.ca/"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span
style="color: purple;">ventus.ca</span></a>]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
December 21, 2012 6:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:garykenward@eastlink.ca"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span
style="color: purple;">garykenward@eastlink.ca</span></a>; michael
gurstein;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:advisors@tc.ca"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span
style="color: purple;">advisors@tc.ca</span></a>; Evan Leibovitch<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
Values vs. Interests in IG was RE: [Advisors] Internet Society
activities in Canada: Expression of interest + survey</span><o:p></o:p></div>
</div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Forgot
the attachment (thanks Michael)<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div>
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