[Advisors] Let community re-think community
James Van Leeuwen
jvl at ventus.ca
Sun, 6 May 2012 12:06:33 -0600
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A great nation is like a great man:
When he makes a mistake, he realizes it.
Having realized it, he admits it.
Having admitted it, he corrects it.
He considers those who point out his faults=20
as his most benevolent teachers.
=97Stephen Mitchell=92s modern translation of the Tao Te Ching, in =
homage to Lao Tzu (ca. 500 B.C.)
On 2012-05-06, at 11:03 AM, Gary Kenward wrote:
> As compared to say the US (have you followed the republican primary)? =
Or the Greeks?
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> Regardless, the first step is to stop beating ourselves up over what =
we are not.
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> Gary
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> On 12.05.06 1:32 PM, "James Van Leeuwen" <jvl@ventus.ca> wrote:
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>> It says that Canadians still don't have the emotional and =
intellectual maturity for substantive discourse around morals and =
values.
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>> It says we need to grow up.
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>> James
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>> On 2012-05-05, at 1:22 PM, Garth Graham wrote:
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>> > On 2012-05-05, at 12:19 AM, James Van Leeuwen wrote:
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>> >> Garth asks:
>> >> What kind of a society do we want? =85 I think the very essence =
of the challenge we Canadians face today is that we have so many =
conflicting visions of what we want our society to look like. =85 What =
we lack is sufficient moral capital to bind the nation into a common and =
cohesive society with a meaningful purpose and a coherent vision for =
itself. =85 Without an appealing new moral vision and narrative to =
bind us together, collaboration and cooperation across groups will be =
next to impossible.
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>> > James, I congratulate you on risking discussion of values when, =
from my experience, the tolerance of Canadians for matters philosophical =
is pretty limited. The first and only time I dared wade into that =
debate about narrative was in June of 1994 (see attached report of a =
workshop on electronic democracy). The report predicts, accurately, =
that without ongoing discussion of values there would be no real basis =
for effective public policies about Canada's transformation into a =
digital society. What does a silence that's now 18 years deep say about =
the current content of public policy?
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>> > GG
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>> > <Values debate.rtf>
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"><b><i><span style=3D"font-family: 'Palatino Linotype', serif; ">A =
great nation is like a great man:<br>When he makes a mistake, he =
realizes it.<br>Having realized it, he admits it.<br>Having admitted it, =
he corrects it.<br>He considers those who point out his =
faults <br>as his most benevolent =
teachers.</span></i></b></p><ul><div style=3D"line-height: 1.2; =
margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><span style=3D"font-family: =
'Palatino Linotype', serif; ">=97Stephen Mitchell=92s modern translation =
of the Tao Te Ching, in homage to Lao Tzu (ca. 500 =
B.C.)</span></div></ul></span><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div=
><div><div>On 2012-05-06, at 11:03 AM, Gary Kenward wrote:</div><br =
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<title>Re: [Advisors] Let community re-think community</title>
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<font face=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12pt">As compared to say the US (have you followed =
the republican primary)? Or the Greeks?<br>
<br>
Regardless, the first step is to stop beating ourselves up over what we =
are not.<br>
<br>
Gary<br>
<br>
<br>
On 12.05.06 1:32 PM, "James Van Leeuwen" <<a =
href=3D"x-msg://1172/jvl@ventus.ca">jvl@ventus.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
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</span></font><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12pt"><font face=3D"Consolas, Courier New, =
Courier">It says that Canadians still don't have the emotional and =
intellectual maturity for substantive discourse around morals and =
values.<br>
<br>
It says we need to grow up.<br>
<br>
James<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2012-05-05, at 1:22 PM, Garth Graham wrote:<br>
<br>
> On 2012-05-05, at 12:19 AM, James Van Leeuwen wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Garth asks:<br>
>> What kind of a society do we want? =85 I think the very =
essence of the challenge we Canadians face today is that we have so many =
conflicting visions of what we want our society to look like. =85 =
What we lack is sufficient moral capital to bind the nation into a =
common and cohesive society with a meaningful purpose and a coherent =
vision for itself. =85 Without an appealing new moral vision =
and narrative to bind us together, collaboration and cooperation across =
groups will be next to impossible.<br>
> <br>
> James, I congratulate you on risking discussion of values when, =
from my experience, the tolerance of Canadians for matters philosophical =
is pretty limited. The first and only time I dared wade into that =
debate about narrative was in June of 1994 (see attached report of a =
workshop on electronic democracy). The report predicts, =
accurately, that without ongoing discussion of values there would be no =
real basis for effective public policies about Canada's transformation =
into a digital society. What does a silence that's now 18 years =
deep say about the current content of public policy?<br>
> <br>
> GG<br>
> <br>
> <Values debate.rtf><br>
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