[Advisors] Let community re-think community
Thompson, Darlene
DThompson1 at GOV.NU.CA
Mon, 7 May 2012 19:00:53 +0000
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I have to agree with Gary.
Its great to have "pie in the sky" visions about where we SHOULD be (and th=
ese are important) but we also have to deal with the political universe as =
it now stands. Thoughts of grandeur are excellent but those of us working =
the ground have to go after what funding is available here and now just to =
keep our head above water and not drown. A drowned person can't do much fo=
r the future of the country.
D
Darlene A. Thompson
Community Access Program Administrator
Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP
P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0
Phone: (867) 975-5631
Fax: (867) 975-5610
E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca<mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca>
From: advisors-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca] On Behalf Of Gary =
Kenward
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 1:04 PM
To: James Van Leeuwen; Garth Graham
Cc: Advisors
Subject: Re: [Advisors] Let community re-think community
As compared to say the US (have you followed the republican primary)? Or th=
e Greeks?
Regardless, the first step is to stop beating ourselves up over what we are=
not.
Gary
On 12.05.06 1:32 PM, "James Van Leeuwen" <jvl@ventus.ca> wrote:
It says that Canadians still don't have the emotional and intellectual matu=
rity for substantive discourse around morals and values.
It says we need to grow up.
James
On 2012-05-05, at 1:22 PM, Garth Graham wrote:
> On 2012-05-05, at 12:19 AM, James Van Leeuwen wrote:
>
>> Garth asks:
>> What kind of a society do we want? ... I think the very essence of the =
challenge we Canadians face today is that we have so many conflicting visio=
ns of what we want our society to look like. ... What we lack is sufficien=
t moral capital to bind the nation into a common and cohesive society with =
a meaningful purpose and a coherent vision for itself. ... Without an app=
ealing new moral vision and narrative to bind us together, collaboration an=
d cooperation across groups will be next to impossible.
>
> James, I congratulate you on risking discussion of values when, from my e=
xperience, the tolerance of Canadians for matters philosophical is pretty l=
imited. The first and only time I dared wade into that debate about narrat=
ive was in June of 1994 (see attached report of a workshop on electronic de=
mocracy). The report predicts, accurately, that without ongoing discussion=
of values there would be no real basis for effective public policies about=
Canada's transformation into a digital society. What does a silence that'=
s now 18 years deep say about the current content of public policy?
>
> GG
>
> <Values debate.rtf>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Its great to have “=
pie in the sky” visions about where we SHOULD be (and these are impor=
tant) but we also have to deal with the political universe as it now
stands. Thoughts of grandeur are excellent but those of us working t=
he ground have to go after what funding is available here and now just to k=
eep our head above water and not drown. A drowned person can’t =
do much for the future of the country.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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-admin@tc.ca [mailto:advisors-admin@tc.ca]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Kenward<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 06, 2012 1:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Van Leeuwen; Garth Graham<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Advisors<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Advisors] Let community re-think community<o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:"Calibri","sans-serif"">As compared to say the US=
(have you followed the republican primary)? Or the Greeks?<br>
<br>
Regardless, the first step is to stop beating ourselves up over what we are=
not.<br>
<br>
Gary<br>
<br>
<br>
On 12.05.06 1:32 PM, "James Van Leeuwen" <<a href=3D"jvl@ventu=
s.ca">jvl@ventus.ca</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Consolas">It says that Ca=
nadians still don't have the emotional and intellectual maturity for substa=
ntive discourse around morals and values.<br>
<br>
It says we need to grow up.<br>
<br>
James<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2012-05-05, at 1:22 PM, Garth Graham wrote:<br>
<br>
> On 2012-05-05, at 12:19 AM, James Van Leeuwen wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Garth asks:<br>
>> What kind of a society do we want? … I think the very =
essence of the challenge we Canadians face today is that we have so many co=
nflicting visions of what we want our society to look like. … W=
hat we lack is sufficient moral capital to bind the nation into
a common and cohesive society with a meaningful purpose and a coherent vis=
ion for itself. … Without an appealing new moral vision a=
nd narrative to bind us together, collaboration and cooperation across grou=
ps will be next to impossible.<br>
> <br>
> James, I congratulate you on risking discussion of values when, from m=
y experience, the tolerance of Canadians for matters philosophical is prett=
y limited. The first and only time I dared wade into that debate abou=
t narrative was in June of 1994 (see attached
report of a workshop on electronic democracy). The report predicts, =
accurately, that without ongoing discussion of values there would be no rea=
l basis for effective public policies about Canada's transformation into a =
digital society. What does a silence
that's now 18 years deep say about the current content of public policy?<b=
r>
> <br>
> GG<br>
> <br>
> <Values debate.rtf><br>
<br>
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