[Advisors] Canada UPR submission - can we endorse?
michael gurstein
gurstein at gmail.com
Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:31:15 -0700
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Hi Lisa and all,
First let me repeat that I think that this is an excellent document and feel
free to add my name as an endorser of the document as an individual (please
use the sig at the bottom of this note) and I believe that there was
sufficient support (and no negative comments) on the Telecommunities Canada
list that an endorsement from TC can also be included.
That being said a couple of other comments.
It isn't a matter of individuals being included or excluded but rather of a
process of inclusion which by it's very nature uses crowdsourcing to
strengthen the content of the document, enhances the impact of the document
(with additional endorsements), helps to create an inclusive process of
support for the document with potentially significant effects on those so
engaged, and perhaps most important sews the seeds for follow-up processes
and initiatives.
A document such as this one has, from my experience, relatively little
impact in itself, but rather the impact comes from the process of its
development and the outcome that emerges from this process and so I think
that a significant opportunity was missed here, inadvertently I'm sure. And
yes, given the current situation in Canada in the areas covered by this
document there is a very considerable need for concerted action and widely
inclusive coalitions to be built and leadership from any direction in these
matters is to be welcomed.
All that being said it would appear to be too late now to circulate the
document for additional sign-ons (an endorsement or endorsements from First
Nations and Francophone organizations would I think have been particularly
useful in this instance) but I will take the opportunity to circulate this
to various groups and lists where there may be an interest.
And I would also welcome and support any indication of a follow-on
initiative that might move this discussion and related actions forward.
Best,
Mike
Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
Executive Director: Centre for Community Informatics Research, Development
and Training (CCIRDT)
Editor in Chief: Journal of Community Informatics
Adjunct Professor: School of Library and Archival Studies
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC CANADA
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From: Lisa Cyr [mailto:Lisa@apc.org]
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 6:05 AM
To: michael gurstein
Cc: Tamir Israel; Marita Moll; TC Advisors; Gareth Shearman; Thompson,
Darlene; Anriette Esterhuysen; Joy Liddicoat
Subject: Re: [Advisors] Canada UPR submission - can we endorse?
Hi Michael,
My colleague Shawna and I work for APC, and have been working on the UPR
submission. Initially it was something we wanted to work on because we felt,
as Canadians, it was important to do, and we did not know of anyone else
working on this. We also felt working on it as a coalition would be much
more effective because we are not experts on the matter, and many members of
the lawful access list are much more knowledgeable in this area than we are.
The more heads that come together, the better. In this networked world, we
are looking to work together with people on common goals.
So this really was perhaps more a scrambled attempt to get as many voices
together as possible, in a very short period of time, rather than a
deliberate attempt to exclude anyone. The problem is probably more related
to the fact that I (and/or Shawna) am not particularly well networked in
this area and was not entirely sure who to reach out to. The list seemed
ideal.
APC would welcome a centralized list - we are not necessarily looking to
take leadership in the ICT policy area in Canada - work is primarily focused
in the global South; but given everything that is happening in Canada, we
also feel it is important to take a stand.
I am attaching the final version, which must be submitted tomorrow at the
latest. We would love it if you would also endorse it, but unfortunately,
it is too late for changes at this point. We do not currently have Marita
on the document, or Telecommunities Canada but would love to include you.
Please do let me know by the end of today,
Best,
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D'>Hi Lisa and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>First let me repeat that I think that this is an excellent document =
and feel free to add my name as an endorser of the document as an =
individual (please use the sig at the bottom of this note) and I believe =
that there was sufficient support (and no negative comments) on the =
Telecommunities Canada list that an endorsement from TC can also be =
included.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>That being said a couple of other comments… =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>It isn't a matter of individuals being included or excluded but =
rather of a process of inclusion which by it's very nature uses =
crowdsourcing to strengthen the content of the document, enhances the =
impact of the document (with additional endorsements), helps to create =
an inclusive process of support for the document with potentially =
significant effects on those so engaged, and perhaps most important sews =
the seeds for follow-up processes and =
initiatives.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> A document such as this one has, from my experience, relatively =
little impact in itself, but rather the impact comes from the process of =
its development and the outcome that emerges from this process and so I =
think that a significant opportunity was missed here, inadvertently I'm =
sure. And yes, given the current situation in Canada in the areas =
covered by this document there is a very considerable need for concerted =
action and widely inclusive coalitions to be built and leadership from =
any direction in these matters is to be =
welcomed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>All that being said it would appear to be too late now to circulate =
the document for additional sign-ons (an endorsement or endorsements =
from First Nations and Francophone organizations would I think have been =
particularly useful in this instance) but I will take the opportunity to =
circulate this to various groups and lists where there may be an =
interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>And I would also welcome and support any indication of a follow-on =
initiative that might move this discussion and related actions =
forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Lisa Cyr [mailto:Lisa@apc.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 08, 2012 =
6:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> Tamir Israel; =
Marita Moll; TC Advisors; Gareth Shearman; Thompson, Darlene; Anriette =
Esterhuysen; Joy Liddicoat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Advisors] Canada UPR =
submission - can we endorse?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
Michael, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My colleague Shawna and I work for APC, and have been =
working on the UPR submission. Initially it was something we wanted to =
work on because we felt, as Canadians, it was important to do, and we =
did not know of anyone else working on this. We also felt working =
on it as a coalition would be much more effective because we are not =
experts on the matter, and many members of the lawful access list are =
much more knowledgeable in this area than we are. The more heads that =
come together, the better. In this networked world, we are looking =
to work together with people on common =
goals.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So this really was perhaps more a scrambled attempt to =
get as many voices together as possible, in a very short period of time, =
rather than a deliberate attempt to exclude anyone. The problem is =
probably more related to the fact that I (and/or Shawna) am not =
particularly well networked in this area and was not entirely sure who =
to reach out to. The list seemed =
ideal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>APC would welcome a centralized list - we are not =
necessarily looking to take leadership in the ICT policy area in Canada =
- work is primarily focused in the global South; but given everything =
that is happening in Canada, we also feel it is important to take a =
stand.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
am attaching the final version, which must be submitted tomorrow at the =
latest. We would love it if you would also endorse it, but =
unfortunately, it is too late for changes at this point. We do =
not currently have Marita on the document, or Telecommunities Canada but =
would love to include you.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Please do let me know by the end of today, =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Best, <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>
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